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  • B bocephus

    ND Mike Heading to MN next Friday, annual get together with brothers to deer hunt.

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    bocephus good luck Buddy!

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    • GWG8541G GWG8541

      YooperDog so are chokecherry seeds poisonous? If so, how are you all processing the fruit?

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      GWG8541 the seeds are. If you break them they release a form of cyanide. They are tough though. I have never broke them. I just use a potato masher to smash up the berries.

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      • ND MikeN ND Mike

        GWG8541 the seeds are. If you break them they release a form of cyanide. They are tough though. I have never broke them. I just use a potato masher to smash up the berries.

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        ND Mike good to know. Note to self, don’t chew chokecherries.

        “You never really die until you end up on the wall at a Cracker Barrel”

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        • GWG8541G GWG8541

          ND Mike good to know. Note to self, don’t chew chokecherries.

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          GWG8541 lol…you can… just spit out the pits. I will tell you they are tart little boogers though!

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          • GWG8541G GWG8541

            ND Mike good to know. Note to self, don’t chew chokecherries.

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            GWG8541 said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:

            ND Mike good to know. Note to self, don’t chew chokecherries.

            Yup that pit is pretty hard, probably break a tooth first. You really don’t want the seeds in your fermentation. ND Mike said. They will stain things up a bit and they are pretty tart.

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            • ND MikeN ND Mike

              GWG8541 the seeds are. If you break them they release a form of cyanide. They are tough though. I have never broke them. I just use a potato masher to smash up the berries.

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              ND Mike Just a little fact, most fruit seeds in the prunus family which includes cherries and peaches have pits that contain small or trace amounts of cyanide. Even almonds have trace amounts of the basic element of cyanide. It was bred out of them, Wild almonds contain enough to kill.

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              • johnsbrewhouseJ johnsbrewhouse

                ND Mike Just a little fact, most fruit seeds in the prunus family which includes cherries and peaches have pits that contain small or trace amounts of cyanide. Even almonds have trace amounts of the basic element of cyanide. It was bred out of them, Wild almonds contain enough to kill.

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                johnsbrewhouse good info!

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                • johnsbrewhouseJ johnsbrewhouse

                  ND Mike Just a little fact, most fruit seeds in the prunus family which includes cherries and peaches have pits that contain small or trace amounts of cyanide. Even almonds have trace amounts of the basic element of cyanide. It was bred out of them, Wild almonds contain enough to kill.

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                  johnsbrewhouse I knew about peaches and cherries, but had no idea about almonds.

                  “You never really die until you end up on the wall at a Cracker Barrel”

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                  • ND MikeN ND Mike

                    Dr_Pain lol…come on up! It gets colder than hell up here though!

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                    ND Mike said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:

                    Dr_Pain lol…come on up! It gets colder than hell up here though!

                    Dude, you may have heard that I was born and raised in Northern Canada, right? Coldest I’ve ever experienced was -65C. Shoveled more snow then it should be allowed by law and for that reason when I graduated from University I relocated to a place that rarely see snow and never has enough accumulation to own a snow shovel

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                      ND Mike said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:

                      Dr_Pain lol…come on up! It gets colder than hell up here though!

                      Dude, you may have heard that I was born and raised in Northern Canada, right? Coldest I’ve ever experienced was -65C. Shoveled more snow then it should be allowed by law and for that reason when I graduated from University I relocated to a place that rarely see snow and never has enough accumulation to own a snow shovel

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                      Dr_Pain yeah…I forgot! You know all about it then!!! Coldest I have ever personally seen is -48F. That was a long day at work. Lots of people broke down along the highways that day. You’dve thought people would stay home when it is that cold but they don’t!

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                      • ND MikeN ND Mike

                        Dr_Pain yeah…I forgot! You know all about it then!!! Coldest I have ever personally seen is -48F. That was a long day at work. Lots of people broke down along the highways that day. You’dve thought people would stay home when it is that cold but they don’t!

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                        ND Mike said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:

                        Dr_Pain yeah…I forgot! You know all about it then!!! Coldest I have ever personally seen is -48F. That was a long day at work. Lots of people broke down along the highways that day. You’dve thought people would stay home when it is that cold but they don’t!

                        So basically you started your cruiser in the morning, put it on full blast heat and never turned off the cruiser (and limited the number of citations and chitchat on the side of the road LOL!!!)

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                        • ND MikeN ND Mike

                          bocephus good luck Buddy!

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                          ND Mike You too, hope you put meat in the freezer.

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                            Dr_Pain yeah…I forgot! You know all about it then!!! Coldest I have ever personally seen is -48F. That was a long day at work. Lots of people broke down along the highways that day. You’dve thought people would stay home when it is that cold but they don’t!

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                            ND Mike I remember those days, with the wind chill it was really tough.

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                            • johnsbrewhouseJ johnsbrewhouse

                              ND Mike Just a little fact, most fruit seeds in the prunus family which includes cherries and peaches have pits that contain small or trace amounts of cyanide. Even almonds have trace amounts of the basic element of cyanide. It was bred out of them, Wild almonds contain enough to kill.

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                              johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?

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                                johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?

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                                Chef said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:

                                johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?

                                Apple seeds contain 0.6 mg of hydrogen cyanide per gram. Technically (according to Dr. Google), this means that a person would have to eat 83–500 apple seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning.

                                On a personal note, I grew up poor so I’ve always went by the principle that “if I paid for it and it is edible then I will eat it”. I have been eating the whole apple (minus the stem) for 40 years and I am not dead yet… and do eat plenty apples

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                                  johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?

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                                  Chef it does contain the compound that releases cyanide but not in quantities enough to do harm to humans. It is the same for most seeds in the Peach/Prune and Cherry families. It takes a lot to poison someone unless they are sensitive to the compounds

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                                    Chef said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:

                                    johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?

                                    Apple seeds contain 0.6 mg of hydrogen cyanide per gram. Technically (according to Dr. Google), this means that a person would have to eat 83–500 apple seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning.

                                    On a personal note, I grew up poor so I’ve always went by the principle that “if I paid for it and it is edible then I will eat it”. I have been eating the whole apple (minus the stem) for 40 years and I am not dead yet… and do eat plenty apples

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                                    Dr_Pain I remember in the 60’s, there was a Doctor that talked about a natural defense against cancer, that of cyanide. He suggested, if memory is correct, that people should eat 2 apples a day including the seeds to prevent most forms of cancer.

                                    I have no idea if this has any scientific basis to it, haven’t heard anything since.

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                                    • johnsbrewhouseJ johnsbrewhouse

                                      Chef it does contain the compound that releases cyanide but not in quantities enough to do harm to humans. It is the same for most seeds in the Peach/Prune and Cherry families. It takes a lot to poison someone unless they are sensitive to the compounds

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                                      johnsbrewhouse As they say, better living through chemistry.

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                                        Dr_Pain I remember in the 60’s, there was a Doctor that talked about a natural defense against cancer, that of cyanide. He suggested, if memory is correct, that people should eat 2 apples a day including the seeds to prevent most forms of cancer.

                                        I have no idea if this has any scientific basis to it, haven’t heard anything since.

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                                        Chef You have to chew the seeds in order to release the compounds

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                                          Dr_Pain I remember in the 60’s, there was a Doctor that talked about a natural defense against cancer, that of cyanide. He suggested, if memory is correct, that people should eat 2 apples a day including the seeds to prevent most forms of cancer.

                                          I have no idea if this has any scientific basis to it, haven’t heard anything since.

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                                          Chef said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:

                                          Dr_Pain I remember in the 60’s, there was a Doctor that talked about a natural defense against cancer, that of cyanide. He suggested, if memory is correct, that people should eat 2 apples a day including the seeds to prevent most forms of cancer.

                                          I have no idea if this has any scientific basis to it, haven’t heard anything since.

                                          The recommendation is obviously FALSE!, but I will tell you why without boring you too much. Cyanide and its precursors which ingested and reacted turns into Hydrogen Cyanide (HCN) are NEUROTOXIC. This means it affects nerves in their abilities to transmit and receive information. If it was hemolitic, radiologic, chemolitic or myolitic (in muscles) then I could see value in researching but you cannot make me believe that affecting the nerves surrounding or within a cancer mass would eradicate that nasty stuff.

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