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    shane102
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    Also, I dont like using carrot fiber binder with wild game. Wild game needs help with protein extraction because it has very little fat content. Sure gel binder is much better.

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      Jonathon
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      shane102 again, I agree with Shane, for wild game, or really anytime you are trying to incorporate additional fat, sure gel is better than carrot fiber.

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        how much meat and how much water did you use in the mixing? Did you use water for humidity while smoking?

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        Moistiestdrip
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        shane102 I did 20 lbs meat and 5 lbs fat. I mixed in 2 quarts of water like Walton’s recommended.

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          shane102 again, I agree with Shane, for wild game, or really anytime you are trying to incorporate additional fat, sure gel is better than carrot fiber.

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          Jonathon the only reason I thought to try carrot fiber was I watched the videos on Walton’s about the different binders. Seemed like carrot fiber would be good with moisture retention. I don’t think it did add good as sure gel. Im working on a second batch right now and sure gel definitely got better protein extraction.

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            Jonathon the only reason I thought to try carrot fiber was I watched the videos on Walton’s about the different binders. Seemed like carrot fiber would be good with moisture retention. I don’t think it did add good as sure gel. Im working on a second batch right now and sure gel definitely got better protein extraction.

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            Cabelas90
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            Moistiestdrip I could be Wrong on this as ive never used the carrot fiber. But from what i have read i feel like the carrot fiber would excel in a fresh sausage that your trying to keep moist where the sure gel really shines in cured and smoked meats suck as hams summer sausage snack sticks ect.

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              Moistiestdrip I could be Wrong on this as ive never used the carrot fiber. But from what i have read i feel like the carrot fiber would excel in a fresh sausage that your trying to keep moist where the sure gel really shines in cured and smoked meats suck as hams summer sausage snack sticks ect.

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              Moistiestdrip
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              Cabelas90 I will have to watch the video again. I probably misunderstood it. I bet your right though

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                Jonathon
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                Moistiestdrip You can, and we have used carrot fiber in cured sausage before but in general sure gel works better. Some people like Super bind even more but I prefer sure gel.

                Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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                  Moistiestdrip You can, and we have used carrot fiber in cured sausage before but in general sure gel works better. Some people like Super bind even more but I prefer sure gel.

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                  Cabelas90
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                  Jonathon Good to know I only have experience with Sure gel and it works so good ive never ventured out!

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                    Jonathon Good to know I only have experience with Sure gel and it works so good ive never ventured out!

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                    Joe Hell
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                    Cabelas90 I made the mistake of trying a batch without the sure gel…I won’t be doing that again.

                    Better Living Through BBQ!

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                      Cabelas90 I made the mistake of trying a batch without the sure gel…I won’t be doing that again.

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                      Cabelas90
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                      Joe Hell Thats Interesting we make sticks and summer sausage all the time at the plant without it and no issues. At home i have used it and it was great!

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                        Joe Hell Thats Interesting we make sticks and summer sausage all the time at the plant without it and no issues. At home i have used it and it was great!

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                        Cabelas90 There may have been some other factors involved in my failure but I prefer to be safe than sorry. I believe I have more arriving tomorrow.

                        Better Living Through BBQ!

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                          Cabelas90 There may have been some other factors involved in my failure but I prefer to be safe than sorry. I believe I have more arriving tomorrow.

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                          Joe Hell Absolutely! If it works dont mess with it!

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                            Joe Hell Absolutely! If it works dont mess with it!

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                            Moistiestdrip
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                            Cabelas90 I will be sticking with sure gel from now on. I did everything the same today as I did on the other batch. Only difference was the binder. These came out wrinkle free and look perfect. I got great protein extraction. Much more than with carrot fiber.

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                              shane102
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                              Perfect, glad it all came out great.

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                                Perfect, glad it all came out great.

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                                shane102 DBC1C4CF-7EFF-4CBA-ABE6-76AF6ED8A16B.jpeg these came out great. Used the Tons summer sausage mix and everyone loves it.

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                                  Moistiestdrip Oh man that looks good. I can almost taste it. I just got done with a batch of straight Elk summer sausage with the H summer sausage seasoning
                                  and added ground mustard and cayenne.

                                  My next batch is gonna be Jalapeno flavored with cheddar cheese

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                                    Moistiestdrip Oh man that looks good. I can almost taste it. I just got done with a batch of straight Elk summer sausage with the H summer sausage seasoning
                                    and added ground mustard and cayenne.

                                    My next batch is gonna be Jalapeno flavored with cheddar cheese

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                                    shane102 my first batch was jalapeno with ghost pepper cheese. It taste great but is a little to hot for some people. Next year Ill go with hot pepper cheese instead

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                                      For years I used powered milk for a binder as that was all I could get and never had problems, but have since switched to milk based binder because it is cheaper and still get good results.

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