Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage
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OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!
You’re right, I’m not trying to do that. Here is what I am thinking, though.
If I do up a regular smoked sausage…say hot dogs, kielbasa, etc. with the cure and all. Then, I cold smoke them at temps below 100*. I get the amount of smoke I want, get them in refrigeration and then when ready to eat them, grill them up normal. How would that work and would that be a reasonable alternative for guys like me who don’t have a smoker that is made to run in the 120-150 range?
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OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!
You’re right, I’m not trying to do that. Here is what I am thinking, though.
If I do up a regular smoked sausage…say hot dogs, kielbasa, etc. with the cure and all. Then, I cold smoke them at temps below 100*. I get the amount of smoke I want, get them in refrigeration and then when ready to eat them, grill them up normal. How would that work and would that be a reasonable alternative for guys like me who don’t have a smoker that is made to run in the 120-150 range?
Midwest_kc
Interesting. It makes sense, just don’t have a technical response here.
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OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!
You’re right, I’m not trying to do that. Here is what I am thinking, though.
If I do up a regular smoked sausage…say hot dogs, kielbasa, etc. with the cure and all. Then, I cold smoke them at temps below 100*. I get the amount of smoke I want, get them in refrigeration and then when ready to eat them, grill them up normal. How would that work and would that be a reasonable alternative for guys like me who don’t have a smoker that is made to run in the 120-150 range?
Midwest_kc You can absolutely do that. That’s how I was taught to do it. My grandparents had a smoke house that was basically just a really big cold smoker. We would make our sausage and cold smoke overnight, the next day we will wrap and freeze until we want to cook.
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OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!
You’re right, I’m not trying to do that. Here is what I am thinking, though.
If I do up a regular smoked sausage…say hot dogs, kielbasa, etc. with the cure and all. Then, I cold smoke them at temps below 100*. I get the amount of smoke I want, get them in refrigeration and then when ready to eat them, grill them up normal. How would that work and would that be a reasonable alternative for guys like me who don’t have a smoker that is made to run in the 120-150 range?
Midwest_kc absolutely doable. I cold smoke all kinds of meat. The problem a lot of people have is they smokers dont go low enough to cold smoke. All but one of my smokers are wood fired so I do it pretty easy. The a-mazing smoke tubes and mazes also work good and easy to make if your handy
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Midwest_kc absolutely doable. I cold smoke all kinds of meat. The problem a lot of people have is they smokers dont go low enough to cold smoke. All but one of my smokers are wood fired so I do it pretty easy. The a-mazing smoke tubes and mazes also work good and easy to make if your handy
kyle that’s what I use is the amze n tube. I had a maze before they made the rube, but the tube is just easier for me.
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OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!
You’re right, I’m not trying to do that. Here is what I am thinking, though.
If I do up a regular smoked sausage…say hot dogs, kielbasa, etc. with the cure and all. Then, I cold smoke them at temps below 100*. I get the amount of smoke I want, get them in refrigeration and then when ready to eat them, grill them up normal. How would that work and would that be a reasonable alternative for guys like me who don’t have a smoker that is made to run in the 120-150 range?
Midwest_kc said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!
As everyone else has said if you have fully cured the meat then you can cold smoke your product and my question is why can’t you cold smoke snack sticks or summer sausage?
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Midwest_kc said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!
As everyone else has said if you have fully cured the meat then you can cold smoke your product and my question is why can’t you cold smoke snack sticks or summer sausage?
mrobisr my understanding is that unless you have very precise equipment and a very sterile environment to do it in, you better bring it 160 before eating.
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mrobisr my understanding is that unless you have very precise equipment and a very sterile environment to do it in, you better bring it 160 before eating.
Midwest_kc Well I will not get into the 160f part, but ok I see why you said it, thanks.
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Midwest_kc Well I will not get into the 160f part, but ok I see why you said it, thanks.
mrobisr said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
Midwest_kc Well I will not get into the 160f part, but ok I see why you said it, thanks.
Now I’m interested… I know there are other ways to achieve lethality, by bringing to a lower temp and holding long enough. Is that what you meant?
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I think you can do this, and certainly a lot of people have done this, but what you lose is some margin of safety.
Yes the meat is cured, but that does not mean that the meat is sterile and unable support bacterial growth. Unless you also alter the pH of the meat and reduce available water levels like is done with dry cured products, you still have a medium that can support bacterial growth during the time it is at room temperatures. -
I actually did that growing up, make fresh sausage, no curing salt at all. Then smoke it for a few hours, then grill it, I’m still here!
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mrobisr said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
Midwest_kc Well I will not get into the 160f part, but ok I see why you said it, thanks.
Now I’m interested… I know there are other ways to achieve lethality, by bringing to a lower temp and holding long enough. Is that what you meant?
Midwest_kc process head hit a couple good points that I will not reiterate on, but there is also the process of pasteurization that is a USDA approved process. This is the short version, but if you look at the regulation about middle of the book the actual charts are there. There are some caveats like fat % and humidity levels, but you can read that in the manual.
Temperature…
… Time
°F (°C)… 12% fat
136 (57.8)… 81.4 min
137 (58.3)… 65.5 min
138 (58.9)… 52.9 min
139 (59.4)… 43 min
140 (60.0)… 35 min
141 (60.6)… 28.7 min
142 (61.1)… 23.7 min
143 (61.7)… 19.8 min
144 (62.2)… 16.6 min
145 (62.8)… 13.8 min
146 (63.3)… 11.5 min
148 (64.4)… 7.7 min
150 (65.6)… 4.9 min
152 (66.7)… 2.8 min
154 (67.8)… 1.6 min
156 (68.9)… 1 min
158 (70.0)… 40.9 sec
160 (71.1)… 26.9 sec
162 (72.2)… 17.7 sec
164 (73.3)… 11.7 sec
166 (74.4)… 0 secBeef, Lamb, & Pork
130 (54.4) 121 minutes
135 (57.2) 37 minutes
140 (60.0) 12 minutes
145 (62.8) 4 minutes
150 (65.6) 72 seconds
155 (68.3) 23 seconds
158 (70.0) 0 seconds -
I actually did that growing up, make fresh sausage, no curing salt at all. Then smoke it for a few hours, then grill it, I’m still here!
HerbcoFood said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
I actually did that growing up, make fresh sausage, no curing salt at all. Then smoke it for a few hours, then grill it, I’m still here!
You wasn’t the only one that did that, I didn’t have a clue what cure was until my college days when I starting using it in a professional setting.
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Midwest_kc process head hit a couple good points that I will not reiterate on, but there is also the process of pasteurization that is a USDA approved process. This is the short version, but if you look at the regulation about middle of the book the actual charts are there. There are some caveats like fat % and humidity levels, but you can read that in the manual.
Temperature…
… Time
°F (°C)… 12% fat
136 (57.8)… 81.4 min
137 (58.3)… 65.5 min
138 (58.9)… 52.9 min
139 (59.4)… 43 min
140 (60.0)… 35 min
141 (60.6)… 28.7 min
142 (61.1)… 23.7 min
143 (61.7)… 19.8 min
144 (62.2)… 16.6 min
145 (62.8)… 13.8 min
146 (63.3)… 11.5 min
148 (64.4)… 7.7 min
150 (65.6)… 4.9 min
152 (66.7)… 2.8 min
154 (67.8)… 1.6 min
156 (68.9)… 1 min
158 (70.0)… 40.9 sec
160 (71.1)… 26.9 sec
162 (72.2)… 17.7 sec
164 (73.3)… 11.7 sec
166 (74.4)… 0 secBeef, Lamb, & Pork
130 (54.4) 121 minutes
135 (57.2) 37 minutes
140 (60.0) 12 minutes
145 (62.8) 4 minutes
150 (65.6) 72 seconds
155 (68.3) 23 seconds
158 (70.0) 0 secondsmrobisr said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
Midwest_kc process head hit a couple good points that I will not reiterate on, but there is also the process of pasteurization that is a USDA approved process. This is the short version, but if you look at the regulation about middle of the book the actual charts are there. There are some caveats like fat % and humidity levels, but you can read that in the manual.
Temperature…
… Time
°F (°C)… 12% fat
136 (57.8)… 81.4 min
137 (58.3)… 65.5 min
138 (58.9)… 52.9 min
139 (59.4)… 43 min
140 (60.0)… 35 min
141 (60.6)… 28.7 min
142 (61.1)… 23.7 min
143 (61.7)… 19.8 min
144 (62.2)… 16.6 min
145 (62.8)… 13.8 min
146 (63.3)… 11.5 min
148 (64.4)… 7.7 min
150 (65.6)… 4.9 min
152 (66.7)… 2.8 min
154 (67.8)… 1.6 min
156 (68.9)… 1 min
158 (70.0)… 40.9 sec
160 (71.1)… 26.9 sec
162 (72.2)… 17.7 sec
164 (73.3)… 11.7 sec
166 (74.4)… 0 secBeef, Lamb, & Pork
130 (54.4) 121 minutes
135 (57.2) 37 minutes
140 (60.0) 12 minutes
145 (62.8) 4 minutes
150 (65.6) 72 seconds
155 (68.3) 23 seconds
158 (70.0) 0 secondsThat’s what I thought you meant. I just don’t know how you’re going to get any type of pasteurization with a cold smoke though. So snack sticks or summer sausage at that point, you’d still need to cook, whether to 160 or to whatever temp you want and hold it the appropriate amount of time.
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HerbcoFood said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
I actually did that growing up, make fresh sausage, no curing salt at all. Then smoke it for a few hours, then grill it, I’m still here!
You wasn’t the only one that did that, I didn’t have a clue what cure was until my college days when I starting using it in a professional setting.
mrobisr said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
HerbcoFood said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
I actually did that growing up, make fresh sausage, no curing salt at all. Then smoke it for a few hours, then grill it, I’m still here!
You wasn’t the only one that did that, I didn’t have a clue what cure was until my college days when I starting using it in a professional setting.
Yeah, we only used it for dry sausage.
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mrobisr said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:
Midwest_kc process head hit a couple good points that I will not reiterate on, but there is also the process of pasteurization that is a USDA approved process. This is the short version, but if you look at the regulation about middle of the book the actual charts are there. There are some caveats like fat % and humidity levels, but you can read that in the manual.
Temperature…
… Time
°F (°C)… 12% fat
136 (57.8)… 81.4 min
137 (58.3)… 65.5 min
138 (58.9)… 52.9 min
139 (59.4)… 43 min
140 (60.0)… 35 min
141 (60.6)… 28.7 min
142 (61.1)… 23.7 min
143 (61.7)… 19.8 min
144 (62.2)… 16.6 min
145 (62.8)… 13.8 min
146 (63.3)… 11.5 min
148 (64.4)… 7.7 min
150 (65.6)… 4.9 min
152 (66.7)… 2.8 min
154 (67.8)… 1.6 min
156 (68.9)… 1 min
158 (70.0)… 40.9 sec
160 (71.1)… 26.9 sec
162 (72.2)… 17.7 sec
164 (73.3)… 11.7 sec
166 (74.4)… 0 secBeef, Lamb, & Pork
130 (54.4) 121 minutes
135 (57.2) 37 minutes
140 (60.0) 12 minutes
145 (62.8) 4 minutes
150 (65.6) 72 seconds
155 (68.3) 23 seconds
158 (70.0) 0 secondsThat’s what I thought you meant. I just don’t know how you’re going to get any type of pasteurization with a cold smoke though. So snack sticks or summer sausage at that point, you’d still need to cook, whether to 160 or to whatever temp you want and hold it the appropriate amount of time.
Midwest_kc during cold smoking the meat can absorb a lot more smoke and since it is a preservative in itself it adds another layer of protection. Yes I would cook after the cold smoke unless I fermented the meat then instead of cooking i would put straight into the drying chamber. It’s all depends on what you want your final product to be.
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OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!
You’re right, I’m not trying to do that. Here is what I am thinking, though.
If I do up a regular smoked sausage…say hot dogs, kielbasa, etc. with the cure and all. Then, I cold smoke them at temps below 100*. I get the amount of smoke I want, get them in refrigeration and then when ready to eat them, grill them up normal. How would that work and would that be a reasonable alternative for guys like me who don’t have a smoker that is made to run in the 120-150 range?
Midwest_kc to give you even more assurances about your OP, some of us do our bacon just as you talked about, cold smoke then refrigerate and freeze and cooked at a later date and it works wonderfully i have been doing it like that for years.
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Yeah, I knew it was possible, but I never hear people talk about it. Thought maybe I was missing something.
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Someone mentioned cold smoking bacon and comparing it to cold smoking sausage.
In my opinion cold smoking a cured whole cut of meat is safer than cold smoking ground cured meat.
Grinding meat is an excellent way to introduce air borne bacteria into the entire batch. With a whole cut of meat you are only dealing with surface contaminants.
This is why you hear about ground beef recalls much more often then with whole cuts of meat.
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