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Chicken and Sausage Gumbo and a medium dark roux... from scratch! by Claude

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    Dr_Pain
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    Ingredients for the roux:

    • 3 cups of AP flour
    • 2 cups of vegetable oil (usually it is a 1:1 ratio but that makes for a greasy end product)

    Process:

    1. On a medium flame, and stirring constantly, bring your mixture together and stir until you get the desired color. As you can see I use a heavy bottom pot and a wooden spoon which gives me the grade of darkness I want.
      NOTE: If you fail to stir properly it will burn and might as well restart because you will never salvage it. If it smells burnt, it is burnt. If it smells like a dark toast then you did it right

    Ingredients for the gumbo:

    • 3 lbs of chicken
    • 2 lbs of smoked Cajun sausage
    • Trinity (onion, bell pepper, celery in equal amounts) based on 2 large onions
    • 4 cloves of garlic smashed and chopped
    • 4 bay leaves
    • About 3 quarts (or more) of chicken stock. I had some leftover from my jambalaya
    • 2-3 green onions for topping
    • Salt to taste
    • Black pepper to taste
    • Cayenne pepper to taste
    • Tabasco to taste (vinegar cuts the fat)
    • Gumbo File (optional)

    Process to assemble the gumbo:

    1. First warm up your stock
    2. Once the roux is at the right color, add your trinity a handful at a time (being careful not to spatter and burn yourself). This will serve to “fry” your vegetables and cool it stopping some of the cooking process. Make sure you stir constantly and all surfaces.
    3. Add your garlic and stir well
    4. Add your chicken thighs and cook for a little while.
    5. Add your sausages and cook for a little while longer
    6. Once the roux appears to be back to temperature, add your stock one ladle at a time making sure to stir well (otherwise your roux will clump or separate)

    Note: Hot roux and Hot stock, and add stock to roux… and not the other way around. Adding the vegetables will also help your roux not separate.

    Part II to follow in the next comment

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      Dr_Pain
      Sous Vide Dry Cured Sausage Traeger Team Blue
      wrote on last edited by Dr_Pain
      #2

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      Process to assemble the gumbo (Part II):

      1. Bring your gumbo to boil and skim all the scum from the top of the gumbo
      2. Once at a boil, let it cook for a few minutes
      3. Skim any scum that forms and remove as much oil as you can
      4. Bring to a simmer (covered) and periodically skim the oil (that’s how you make a diet gumbo LOL!)
      5. Cook for 3-4hrs on simmer
      6. Add green onions and all your seasoning to taste

      Note: It should be on the saltier side (almost too much) to compensate for the bland rice. It should also have good black pepper heat and some nice tingling from the cayenne and Tabasco. You should also have a bright flavor from the vinegar in the Tabasco

      Serve with rice and German potato salad and some good bread on the side

      NOTE: Some of the Cajuns down here love to put hard boiled eggs in their gumbo.
      NOTE 2: There are 2 schools of thoughts with the potato salad

      1. Potato salad dollop in the bowl
      2. Potato salad dollop on a plate on the side.

      I do not have a picture of the finish product because we make the gumbo and then put it in the fridge to marry the flavors. We should be eating it tonight so I will update the post with a nice picture (if I am not starving to death and don’t remember to take a picture)


      I wonder what Chef has to say about it
      ND Mike I will be using my paddle spoon to serve the rice LOL!!
      RON PARRISH I hope this gets you motivated to make your first roux

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      • Dr_PainD Dr_Pain

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        Process to assemble the gumbo (Part II):

        1. Bring your gumbo to boil and skim all the scum from the top of the gumbo
        2. Once at a boil, let it cook for a few minutes
        3. Skim any scum that forms and remove as much oil as you can
        4. Bring to a simmer (covered) and periodically skim the oil (that’s how you make a diet gumbo LOL!)
        5. Cook for 3-4hrs on simmer
        6. Add green onions and all your seasoning to taste

        Note: It should be on the saltier side (almost too much) to compensate for the bland rice. It should also have good black pepper heat and some nice tingling from the cayenne and Tabasco. You should also have a bright flavor from the vinegar in the Tabasco

        Serve with rice and German potato salad and some good bread on the side

        NOTE: Some of the Cajuns down here love to put hard boiled eggs in their gumbo.
        NOTE 2: There are 2 schools of thoughts with the potato salad

        1. Potato salad dollop in the bowl
        2. Potato salad dollop on a plate on the side.

        I do not have a picture of the finish product because we make the gumbo and then put it in the fridge to marry the flavors. We should be eating it tonight so I will update the post with a nice picture (if I am not starving to death and don’t remember to take a picture)


        I wonder what Chef has to say about it
        ND Mike I will be using my paddle spoon to serve the rice LOL!!
        RON PARRISH I hope this gets you motivated to make your first roux

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        Dr_Pain hahaha! It looks great!

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        • Dr_PainD Dr_Pain

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          Process to assemble the gumbo (Part II):

          1. Bring your gumbo to boil and skim all the scum from the top of the gumbo
          2. Once at a boil, let it cook for a few minutes
          3. Skim any scum that forms and remove as much oil as you can
          4. Bring to a simmer (covered) and periodically skim the oil (that’s how you make a diet gumbo LOL!)
          5. Cook for 3-4hrs on simmer
          6. Add green onions and all your seasoning to taste

          Note: It should be on the saltier side (almost too much) to compensate for the bland rice. It should also have good black pepper heat and some nice tingling from the cayenne and Tabasco. You should also have a bright flavor from the vinegar in the Tabasco

          Serve with rice and German potato salad and some good bread on the side

          NOTE: Some of the Cajuns down here love to put hard boiled eggs in their gumbo.
          NOTE 2: There are 2 schools of thoughts with the potato salad

          1. Potato salad dollop in the bowl
          2. Potato salad dollop on a plate on the side.

          I do not have a picture of the finish product because we make the gumbo and then put it in the fridge to marry the flavors. We should be eating it tonight so I will update the post with a nice picture (if I am not starving to death and don’t remember to take a picture)


          I wonder what Chef has to say about it
          ND Mike I will be using my paddle spoon to serve the rice LOL!!
          RON PARRISH I hope this gets you motivated to make your first roux

          ChefC Offline
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          Chef
          Canning Dry Cured Sausage Primo Grills Team Blue Sous Vide Power User Cast Iron
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          Dr_Pain Okay, Chef has to comment. Roux - place the flour and the oil in the oven at 350’F stir every 30 to 45 minutes. You will never bure it this way. You can get as deep a roux without fear of any burn flavor.

          No true coon a s s would put this goodness on potato salad or eggs. This is a mutation over the last few years. It is about the same as adding tomatoes to gumbo which is NOT gumbo.

          Good gumbo should be served over rice. FRESH rice just cooked. I use Chef’s Choice Basmati rice because it is very reliable to not clump together.

          I add about three times the garlic and twice the bell pepper. I mix 1/2 green and red bell pepper.
          add also thyme, and Gumbo Filé; It will not kill you. If it would my great grandparents would not have lived into their late 90’s

          I also add chicken base. It is a chef’s greatest secret. I use Minor’s chicken base, no MSG added. It is a great item to have on hand for flavor.

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          • ChefC Chef

            Dr_Pain Okay, Chef has to comment. Roux - place the flour and the oil in the oven at 350’F stir every 30 to 45 minutes. You will never bure it this way. You can get as deep a roux without fear of any burn flavor.

            No true coon a s s would put this goodness on potato salad or eggs. This is a mutation over the last few years. It is about the same as adding tomatoes to gumbo which is NOT gumbo.

            Good gumbo should be served over rice. FRESH rice just cooked. I use Chef’s Choice Basmati rice because it is very reliable to not clump together.

            I add about three times the garlic and twice the bell pepper. I mix 1/2 green and red bell pepper.
            add also thyme, and Gumbo Filé; It will not kill you. If it would my great grandparents would not have lived into their late 90’s

            I also add chicken base. It is a chef’s greatest secret. I use Minor’s chicken base, no MSG added. It is a great item to have on hand for flavor.

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            Dr_Pain
            Sous Vide Dry Cured Sausage Traeger Team Blue
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            Chef I knew I could count on you. I do find it therapeutic to stir the roux. I have made dry roux in the oven but never a wet one. May have to try it

            A mutation I would agree but it is so good

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              It’s all about the roux. Gumbo with potato salad now that is for sure from cajunland.

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                Righteous food p0rn. The pictures say it all.

                Paul

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                • M mdseaside

                  It’s all about the roux. Gumbo with potato salad now that is for sure from cajunland.

                  Dr_PainD Offline
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                  Dr_Pain
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                  mdseaside said in Chicken and Sausage Gumbo and a medium dark roux... from scratch! by Claude:

                  It’s all about the roux. Gumbo with potato salad now that is for sure from cajunland.

                  Absolutely!!

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                  • processheadP processhead

                    Righteous food p0rn. The pictures say it all.

                    Dr_PainD Offline
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                    Dr_Pain
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                    processhead said in Chicken and Sausage Gumbo and a medium dark roux... from scratch! by Claude:

                    Righteous food p0rn. The pictures say it all.

                    Thank you Paul

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                    • Dr_PainD Dr_Pain

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                      Process to assemble the gumbo (Part II):

                      1. Bring your gumbo to boil and skim all the scum from the top of the gumbo
                      2. Once at a boil, let it cook for a few minutes
                      3. Skim any scum that forms and remove as much oil as you can
                      4. Bring to a simmer (covered) and periodically skim the oil (that’s how you make a diet gumbo LOL!)
                      5. Cook for 3-4hrs on simmer
                      6. Add green onions and all your seasoning to taste

                      Note: It should be on the saltier side (almost too much) to compensate for the bland rice. It should also have good black pepper heat and some nice tingling from the cayenne and Tabasco. You should also have a bright flavor from the vinegar in the Tabasco

                      Serve with rice and German potato salad and some good bread on the side

                      NOTE: Some of the Cajuns down here love to put hard boiled eggs in their gumbo.
                      NOTE 2: There are 2 schools of thoughts with the potato salad

                      1. Potato salad dollop in the bowl
                      2. Potato salad dollop on a plate on the side.

                      I do not have a picture of the finish product because we make the gumbo and then put it in the fridge to marry the flavors. We should be eating it tonight so I will update the post with a nice picture (if I am not starving to death and don’t remember to take a picture)


                      I wonder what Chef has to say about it
                      ND Mike I will be using my paddle spoon to serve the rice LOL!!
                      RON PARRISH I hope this gets you motivated to make your first roux

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                      zbigjeff
                      Sous Vide Team Blue Power User Regular Contributors Cast Iron
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                      Dr_Pain Making your roux on the stove vs in the oven is more difficult to obtain without “burning”. Good job. I could only get it that dark or darker in the oven.

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                      • zbigjeffZ zbigjeff

                        Dr_Pain Making your roux on the stove vs in the oven is more difficult to obtain without “burning”. Good job. I could only get it that dark or darker in the oven.

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                        Dr_Pain
                        Sous Vide Dry Cured Sausage Traeger Team Blue
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                        zbigjeff Thanks Big Jeff. A labor of love. I will have to try the wet roux in the oven

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                        • Dr_PainD Dr_Pain

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                          Process to assemble the gumbo (Part II):

                          1. Bring your gumbo to boil and skim all the scum from the top of the gumbo
                          2. Once at a boil, let it cook for a few minutes
                          3. Skim any scum that forms and remove as much oil as you can
                          4. Bring to a simmer (covered) and periodically skim the oil (that’s how you make a diet gumbo LOL!)
                          5. Cook for 3-4hrs on simmer
                          6. Add green onions and all your seasoning to taste

                          Note: It should be on the saltier side (almost too much) to compensate for the bland rice. It should also have good black pepper heat and some nice tingling from the cayenne and Tabasco. You should also have a bright flavor from the vinegar in the Tabasco

                          Serve with rice and German potato salad and some good bread on the side

                          NOTE: Some of the Cajuns down here love to put hard boiled eggs in their gumbo.
                          NOTE 2: There are 2 schools of thoughts with the potato salad

                          1. Potato salad dollop in the bowl
                          2. Potato salad dollop on a plate on the side.

                          I do not have a picture of the finish product because we make the gumbo and then put it in the fridge to marry the flavors. We should be eating it tonight so I will update the post with a nice picture (if I am not starving to death and don’t remember to take a picture)


                          I wonder what Chef has to say about it
                          ND Mike I will be using my paddle spoon to serve the rice LOL!!
                          RON PARRISH I hope this gets you motivated to make your first roux

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                          Regular Contributors Cast Iron Canning Team Orange Veteran Power User
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                          Dr_Pain Will be trying it soon. Thanks!

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                          • Dr_PainD Dr_Pain

                            zbigjeff Thanks Big Jeff. A labor of love. I will have to try the wet roux in the oven

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                            Dr_Pain it looks great 👍

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                            • Dr_PainD Dr_Pain

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                              IMG_4209.JPG
                              IMG_4211.JPG

                              Process to assemble the gumbo (Part II):

                              1. Bring your gumbo to boil and skim all the scum from the top of the gumbo
                              2. Once at a boil, let it cook for a few minutes
                              3. Skim any scum that forms and remove as much oil as you can
                              4. Bring to a simmer (covered) and periodically skim the oil (that’s how you make a diet gumbo LOL!)
                              5. Cook for 3-4hrs on simmer
                              6. Add green onions and all your seasoning to taste

                              Note: It should be on the saltier side (almost too much) to compensate for the bland rice. It should also have good black pepper heat and some nice tingling from the cayenne and Tabasco. You should also have a bright flavor from the vinegar in the Tabasco

                              Serve with rice and German potato salad and some good bread on the side

                              NOTE: Some of the Cajuns down here love to put hard boiled eggs in their gumbo.
                              NOTE 2: There are 2 schools of thoughts with the potato salad

                              1. Potato salad dollop in the bowl
                              2. Potato salad dollop on a plate on the side.

                              I do not have a picture of the finish product because we make the gumbo and then put it in the fridge to marry the flavors. We should be eating it tonight so I will update the post with a nice picture (if I am not starving to death and don’t remember to take a picture)


                              I wonder what Chef has to say about it
                              ND Mike I will be using my paddle spoon to serve the rice LOL!!
                              RON PARRISH I hope this gets you motivated to make your first roux

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                              Dr_Pain - WOW!

                              Life is a Garden - Dig it.

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                                Chef I knew I could count on you. I do find it therapeutic to stir the roux. I have made dry roux in the oven but never a wet one. May have to try it

                                A mutation I would agree but it is so good

                                7C58CF38-1D90-46A7-A29F-05B262340EBA.jpeg

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                                Canning Dry Cured Sausage Primo Grills Team Blue Sous Vide Power User Cast Iron
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                                Dr_Pain One other thing for people wanting to make Gumbo. The color Roux you made is about the color my grandmother would make. Bless her heart, burns on her arms and all, she could get a roux that color in about 10 minutes without burning. I can’t do that.

                                It should be pointed out that as the roux gets darker, the thickening ability dramatically goes down. There is an increase in flavor as it darkens and a decrease in thickening power. People compensate with okra or Filé (which is my preference).

                                Everyone finds their happy medium. For me, I go for a hazelnut brown, a bit lighter than what you make. Great flavor, while still possessing the thickening ability I prefer.

                                I am experimenting with Ultra-Tex products for thickening. Have successfully used it in gravies and soups, as well as cream fillings. So far, the results are very favorable. It produces a very stable thickening over all temperature ranges without any change in texture or flavor.

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                                • cdavisC cdavis

                                  Dr_Pain it looks great 👍

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                                  cdavis said in Chicken and Sausage Gumbo and a medium dark roux... from scratch! by Claude:

                                  Dr_Pain it looks great 👍

                                  Thank you! Labor of love but so tasty

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                                    Dr_Pain Will be trying it soon. Thanks!

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                                    RON PARRISH said in Chicken and Sausage Gumbo and a medium dark roux... from scratch! by Claude:

                                    Dr_Pain Will be trying it soon. Thanks!

                                    Feel free to reach out if you have any questions

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                                    • lkrfletcherL lkrfletcher

                                      Dr_Pain - WOW!

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                                      lkrfletcher said in Chicken and Sausage Gumbo and a medium dark roux... from scratch! by Claude:

                                      Dr_Pain - WOW!

                                      Thanks. The WOW should apply to the taste more than the process LOL!!! It is/was DELICIOUS

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                                        Dr_Pain One other thing for people wanting to make Gumbo. The color Roux you made is about the color my grandmother would make. Bless her heart, burns on her arms and all, she could get a roux that color in about 10 minutes without burning. I can’t do that.

                                        It should be pointed out that as the roux gets darker, the thickening ability dramatically goes down. There is an increase in flavor as it darkens and a decrease in thickening power. People compensate with okra or Filé (which is my preference).

                                        Everyone finds their happy medium. For me, I go for a hazelnut brown, a bit lighter than what you make. Great flavor, while still possessing the thickening ability I prefer.

                                        I am experimenting with Ultra-Tex products for thickening. Have successfully used it in gravies and soups, as well as cream fillings. So far, the results are very favorable. It produces a very stable thickening over all temperature ranges without any change in texture or flavor.

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                                        Chef said in Chicken and Sausage Gumbo and a medium dark roux... from scratch! by Claude:

                                        Dr_Pain
                                        It should be pointed out that as the roux gets darker, the thickening ability dramatically goes down. There is an increase in flavor as it darkens and a decrease in thickening power. People compensate with okra or Filé (which is my preference).

                                        I am experimenting with Ultra-Tex products for thickening. Have successfully used it in gravies and soups, as well as cream fillings. So far, the results are very favorable. It produces a very stable thickening over all temperature ranges without any change in texture or flavor.

                                        I am so glad you mentioned it. The amount of flour I made was definitely for that dark roux (less thickening power). With a hazelnut or lighter roux you definitely need to reduce the flour or increase the ingredients including the stock.

                                        HAHA, you are getting fancy there. Next thing you know we will be doing Cajun molecular gastronomy

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                                        • Dr_PainD Dr_Pain

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                                          Process to assemble the gumbo (Part II):

                                          1. Bring your gumbo to boil and skim all the scum from the top of the gumbo
                                          2. Once at a boil, let it cook for a few minutes
                                          3. Skim any scum that forms and remove as much oil as you can
                                          4. Bring to a simmer (covered) and periodically skim the oil (that’s how you make a diet gumbo LOL!)
                                          5. Cook for 3-4hrs on simmer
                                          6. Add green onions and all your seasoning to taste

                                          Note: It should be on the saltier side (almost too much) to compensate for the bland rice. It should also have good black pepper heat and some nice tingling from the cayenne and Tabasco. You should also have a bright flavor from the vinegar in the Tabasco

                                          Serve with rice and German potato salad and some good bread on the side

                                          NOTE: Some of the Cajuns down here love to put hard boiled eggs in their gumbo.
                                          NOTE 2: There are 2 schools of thoughts with the potato salad

                                          1. Potato salad dollop in the bowl
                                          2. Potato salad dollop on a plate on the side.

                                          I do not have a picture of the finish product because we make the gumbo and then put it in the fridge to marry the flavors. We should be eating it tonight so I will update the post with a nice picture (if I am not starving to death and don’t remember to take a picture)


                                          I wonder what Chef has to say about it
                                          ND Mike I will be using my paddle spoon to serve the rice LOL!!
                                          RON PARRISH I hope this gets you motivated to make your first roux

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                                          Dr_Pain Diet Gumbo, that’s a new one!

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