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ND Mike You too, hope you put meat in the freezer.
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Dr_Pain yeah…I forgot! You know all about it then!!! Coldest I have ever personally seen is -48F. That was a long day at work. Lots of people broke down along the highways that day. You’dve thought people would stay home when it is that cold but they don’t!
ND Mike I remember those days, with the wind chill it was really tough.
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ND Mike Just a little fact, most fruit seeds in the prunus family which includes cherries and peaches have pits that contain small or trace amounts of cyanide. Even almonds have trace amounts of the basic element of cyanide. It was bred out of them, Wild almonds contain enough to kill.
johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?
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johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?
Chef said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:
johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?
Apple seeds contain 0.6 mg of hydrogen cyanide per gram. Technically (according to Dr. Google), this means that a person would have to eat 83–500 apple seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning.
On a personal note, I grew up poor so I’ve always went by the principle that “if I paid for it and it is edible then I will eat it”. I have been eating the whole apple (minus the stem) for 40 years and I am not dead yet… and do eat plenty apples
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johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?
Chef it does contain the compound that releases cyanide but not in quantities enough to do harm to humans. It is the same for most seeds in the Peach/Prune and Cherry families. It takes a lot to poison someone unless they are sensitive to the compounds
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Chef said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:
johnsbrewhouse I heard that apple seeds also contain trace amounts for cyanide. Do you know anything about this?
Apple seeds contain 0.6 mg of hydrogen cyanide per gram. Technically (according to Dr. Google), this means that a person would have to eat 83–500 apple seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning.
On a personal note, I grew up poor so I’ve always went by the principle that “if I paid for it and it is edible then I will eat it”. I have been eating the whole apple (minus the stem) for 40 years and I am not dead yet… and do eat plenty apples
Dr_Pain I remember in the 60’s, there was a Doctor that talked about a natural defense against cancer, that of cyanide. He suggested, if memory is correct, that people should eat 2 apples a day including the seeds to prevent most forms of cancer.
I have no idea if this has any scientific basis to it, haven’t heard anything since.
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Chef it does contain the compound that releases cyanide but not in quantities enough to do harm to humans. It is the same for most seeds in the Peach/Prune and Cherry families. It takes a lot to poison someone unless they are sensitive to the compounds
johnsbrewhouse As they say, better living through chemistry.
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Dr_Pain I remember in the 60’s, there was a Doctor that talked about a natural defense against cancer, that of cyanide. He suggested, if memory is correct, that people should eat 2 apples a day including the seeds to prevent most forms of cancer.
I have no idea if this has any scientific basis to it, haven’t heard anything since.
Chef You have to chew the seeds in order to release the compounds
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Dr_Pain I remember in the 60’s, there was a Doctor that talked about a natural defense against cancer, that of cyanide. He suggested, if memory is correct, that people should eat 2 apples a day including the seeds to prevent most forms of cancer.
I have no idea if this has any scientific basis to it, haven’t heard anything since.
Chef said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:
Dr_Pain I remember in the 60’s, there was a Doctor that talked about a natural defense against cancer, that of cyanide. He suggested, if memory is correct, that people should eat 2 apples a day including the seeds to prevent most forms of cancer.
I have no idea if this has any scientific basis to it, haven’t heard anything since.
The recommendation is obviously FALSE!, but I will tell you why without boring you too much. Cyanide and its precursors which ingested and reacted turns into Hydrogen Cyanide (HCN) are NEUROTOXIC. This means it affects nerves in their abilities to transmit and receive information. If it was hemolitic, radiologic, chemolitic or myolitic (in muscles) then I could see value in researching but you cannot make me believe that affecting the nerves surrounding or within a cancer mass would eradicate that nasty stuff.
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Chef You have to chew the seeds in order to release the compounds
johnsbrewhouse said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:
Chef You have to chew the seeds in order to release the compounds
Actually John, if your stomach acid is strong enough to pierce through the seed coat or testa, the digestive enzymes will make good work to make the cyanide compound bioavailable to be converted. BUT we are splitting seeds LOL!
I agree with you that an intact and undigested seed is harmless, more harmless than an unwashed apple for sure (pesticides, herbicides, waxes, fecal matter etc…)
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ND Mike said in Gardening, canning, pickling and everything related:
Dr_Pain yeah…I forgot! You know all about it then!!! Coldest I have ever personally seen is -48F. That was a long day at work. Lots of people broke down along the highways that day. You’dve thought people would stay home when it is that cold but they don’t!
So basically you started your cruiser in the morning, put it on full blast heat and never turned off the cruiser (and limited the number of citations and chitchat on the side of the road LOL!!!)
Dr_Pain yeah pretty much! The whole day was spent responding to motorist assists. Lots of jelled up semis that day.
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bocephus yeah…makes for a long day.
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Dr_Pain yeah…I forgot! You know all about it then!!! Coldest I have ever personally seen is -48F. That was a long day at work. Lots of people broke down along the highways that day. You’dve thought people would stay home when it is that cold but they don’t!
ND Mike Dr_Pain I know ther are plenty of people on here from the real cold country. In 32 years of working my first LE career, my coldest was -25 in January of 94, with a wind chill of about -50. I was as SWAT supervisor and told the wife before going to bed, we will probably have a SWAT call out tonight. Unfortunately, I was right and got a call about midnight. It was the coldest I can ever remember being in my life. Being in a stationary position all night was insane when I look back at it. We also found out that our launched gas rounds would not work in those temperatures. Our grenadier was launching rounds from about 30 feet away from the suspects house and trying to put them into a second story window. They never even made it to the house, let alone through the window. When we called the manufacturer and asked if it was a bad lot of ammo, they said " well we have never tested them in those temperatures before", which is ironic considering they were headquartered in a state near North Dakota. Im glad we only had to operate in those temps occasionally. Hats off to doing it on a regular basis. Stay safe this winter.
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GWG8541 I’ve gotta imagine you are a fun one to sit around and listen to stories from? One thing it could have been was that cold air is denser than warm air so the additional drag would have been far greater on the grenade round. Enough to cause the difference you are talking about? I have no idea but I know when I used to play golf, the ball felt like it traveled a lot further on warm dry days than cold dry days!
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GWG8541 I’ve gotta imagine you are a fun one to sit around and listen to stories from? One thing it could have been was that cold air is denser than warm air so the additional drag would have been far greater on the grenade round. Enough to cause the difference you are talking about? I have no idea but I know when I used to play golf, the ball felt like it traveled a lot further on warm dry days than cold dry days!
Jonathon after going back and forth with the manufacturer. It was a little of everything, from type of powder, friction of the round getting out of the casing, to the drag. It just became the perfect storm. So after that, we kept the rounds in a heated vehicle until the last second to deploy. Prior to that day, they were in a ready bag with the grenadier. We were kinda surprised no other agency had experienced it before that. The company changed a few things in the manufacturing process, but more importantly began encorperating that cold weather vehicle storage protocal into their training . I learned a lot from cold weather shooting as a young Marine, but never would have imagined that would have happened.
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some years ago my hunting buddy and I experimented with several recipes for wine the one we liked the best we ground the whole berries with the pits using a food chopper (meat grinder) nothing better than choke cherry syrup on waffles or pan cakes .Growing up in ND on the farm we also did the cream in a bowl mixed in the choke cherry syrup and dipped home made bread in it
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ND Mike Dr_Pain I know ther are plenty of people on here from the real cold country. In 32 years of working my first LE career, my coldest was -25 in January of 94, with a wind chill of about -50. I was as SWAT supervisor and told the wife before going to bed, we will probably have a SWAT call out tonight. Unfortunately, I was right and got a call about midnight. It was the coldest I can ever remember being in my life. Being in a stationary position all night was insane when I look back at it. We also found out that our launched gas rounds would not work in those temperatures. Our grenadier was launching rounds from about 30 feet away from the suspects house and trying to put them into a second story window. They never even made it to the house, let alone through the window. When we called the manufacturer and asked if it was a bad lot of ammo, they said " well we have never tested them in those temperatures before", which is ironic considering they were headquartered in a state near North Dakota. Im glad we only had to operate in those temps occasionally. Hats off to doing it on a regular basis. Stay safe this winter.
GWG8541 thanks! Thatbwould have been a cold sit!
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some years ago my hunting buddy and I experimented with several recipes for wine the one we liked the best we ground the whole berries with the pits using a food chopper (meat grinder) nothing better than choke cherry syrup on waffles or pan cakes .Growing up in ND on the farm we also did the cream in a bowl mixed in the choke cherry syrup and dipped home made bread in it
fisherman43 we poured the syrup on bread and drizzled heavy cream on it. Must be a ND thing!
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ND Mike Dr_Pain I know ther are plenty of people on here from the real cold country. In 32 years of working my first LE career, my coldest was -25 in January of 94, with a wind chill of about -50. I was as SWAT supervisor and told the wife before going to bed, we will probably have a SWAT call out tonight. Unfortunately, I was right and got a call about midnight. It was the coldest I can ever remember being in my life. Being in a stationary position all night was insane when I look back at it. We also found out that our launched gas rounds would not work in those temperatures. Our grenadier was launching rounds from about 30 feet away from the suspects house and trying to put them into a second story window. They never even made it to the house, let alone through the window. When we called the manufacturer and asked if it was a bad lot of ammo, they said " well we have never tested them in those temperatures before", which is ironic considering they were headquartered in a state near North Dakota. Im glad we only had to operate in those temps occasionally. Hats off to doing it on a regular basis. Stay safe this winter.
GWG8541 My hat’s off to you & you have me beat on the temps to at that. I think the coldest I ever made it was -10, with nothing above 14 for several weeks, on assignment in Michigan, I believe it was 99 or 98. However, I am on the move, in the field, so not stationary. That is like subtracting another 50 degrees for stationary factor.
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May be my last round of peppers.
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