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Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage

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  • mrobisrM mrobisr

    HerbcoFood said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:

    I actually did that growing up, make fresh sausage, no curing salt at all. Then smoke it for a few hours, then grill it, I’m still here!

    You wasn’t the only one that did that, I didn’t have a clue what cure was until my college days when I starting using it in a professional setting.

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    mrobisr said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:

    HerbcoFood said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:

    I actually did that growing up, make fresh sausage, no curing salt at all. Then smoke it for a few hours, then grill it, I’m still here!

    You wasn’t the only one that did that, I didn’t have a clue what cure was until my college days when I starting using it in a professional setting.

    Yeah, we only used it for dry sausage.

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    • Midwest_kcM Midwest_kc

      mrobisr said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:

      Midwest_kc process head hit a couple good points that I will not reiterate on, but there is also the process of pasteurization that is a USDA approved process. This is the short version, but if you look at the regulation about middle of the book the actual charts are there. There are some caveats like fat % and humidity levels, but you can read that in the manual.

      Temperature…
      … Time
      °F (°C)… 12% fat
      136 (57.8)… 81.4 min
      137 (58.3)… 65.5 min
      138 (58.9)… 52.9 min
      139 (59.4)… 43 min
      140 (60.0)… 35 min
      141 (60.6)… 28.7 min
      142 (61.1)… 23.7 min
      143 (61.7)… 19.8 min
      144 (62.2)… 16.6 min
      145 (62.8)… 13.8 min
      146 (63.3)… 11.5 min
      148 (64.4)… 7.7 min
      150 (65.6)… 4.9 min
      152 (66.7)… 2.8 min
      154 (67.8)… 1.6 min
      156 (68.9)… 1 min
      158 (70.0)… 40.9 sec
      160 (71.1)… 26.9 sec
      162 (72.2)… 17.7 sec
      164 (73.3)… 11.7 sec
      166 (74.4)… 0 sec

      Beef, Lamb, & Pork
      130 (54.4) 121 minutes
      135 (57.2) 37 minutes
      140 (60.0) 12 minutes
      145 (62.8) 4 minutes
      150 (65.6) 72 seconds
      155 (68.3) 23 seconds
      158 (70.0) 0 seconds

      Appendix-A.pdf

      That’s what I thought you meant. I just don’t know how you’re going to get any type of pasteurization with a cold smoke though. So snack sticks or summer sausage at that point, you’d still need to cook, whether to 160 or to whatever temp you want and hold it the appropriate amount of time.

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      Midwest_kc during cold smoking the meat can absorb a lot more smoke and since it is a preservative in itself it adds another layer of protection. Yes I would cook after the cold smoke unless I fermented the meat then instead of cooking i would put straight into the drying chamber. It’s all depends on what you want your final product to be.

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      • Midwest_kcM Midwest_kc

        OK, OK, OK… I know what you’re thinking - Don’t cold smoke snack sticks and summer sausage!

        You’re right, I’m not trying to do that. Here is what I am thinking, though.

        If I do up a regular smoked sausage…say hot dogs, kielbasa, etc. with the cure and all. Then, I cold smoke them at temps below 100*. I get the amount of smoke I want, get them in refrigeration and then when ready to eat them, grill them up normal. How would that work and would that be a reasonable alternative for guys like me who don’t have a smoker that is made to run in the 120-150 range?

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        mrobisr
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        Midwest_kc to give you even more assurances about your OP, some of us do our bacon just as you talked about, cold smoke then refrigerate and freeze and cooked at a later date and it works wonderfully i have been doing it like that for years.

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          Yeah, I knew it was possible, but I never hear people talk about it. Thought maybe I was missing something.

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            Interesting process. I would not take the chance but interested in following this thread to see if it is possible without the fear of growing some food born pathogens

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              #20

              Someone mentioned cold smoking bacon and comparing it to cold smoking sausage.
              In my opinion cold smoking a cured whole cut of meat is safer than cold smoking ground cured meat.
              Grinding meat is an excellent way to introduce air borne bacteria into the entire batch. With a whole cut of meat you are only dealing with surface contaminants.
              This is why you hear about ground beef recalls much more often then with whole cuts of meat.

              Paul

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                To be clear, I would not allow the food to stay in the danger zone too long. I’m thinking if I have the sausages refrigerated, then give them, say, 2 hours of cold smoke and then back in the fridge, and then cooking them through at a later time (within a couple days, or vac sealing and freezing until I’m ready to use them).

                That may not be long enough, and I could probably go up to 3 hours of smoke and still be plenty safe of the danger zone.

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                  mrobisr
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                  #22

                  I would not keep it long in the fridge before consuming or freezing for the points made above, but I have done it due to unforeseen events and it worked out well. Whole muscle meats keep longer in the fridge compared to ground meat and as long as you keep that in mind you will be fine. For some that have really cold weather or during a decent cold front a person could cold smoke in the safe zone and that would even be better.

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                  • Midwest_kcM Midwest_kc

                    To be clear, I would not allow the food to stay in the danger zone too long. I’m thinking if I have the sausages refrigerated, then give them, say, 2 hours of cold smoke and then back in the fridge, and then cooking them through at a later time (within a couple days, or vac sealing and freezing until I’m ready to use them).

                    That may not be long enough, and I could probably go up to 3 hours of smoke and still be plenty safe of the danger zone.

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                    Midwest_kc sounds like a good plan.

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                      This sounds like a possible good work around for me only having a WSM smoker and living in PA cold outside temps aren’t an issue in the winter months.

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                      • B bleathery

                        This sounds like a possible good work around for me only having a WSM smoker and living in PA cold outside temps aren’t an issue in the winter months.

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                        mrobisr
                        Team Blue Cast Iron Sous Vide Canning Dry Cured Sausage Masterbuilt Military Veterans Power User Regular Contributors
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                        bleathery in your case you might have to add heat to keep from freezing, but yes it might help in certain situations. As said earlier the safest way is to go straight to hot smoke and cooking, but sometimes that just isn’t what our schedule allows.

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                        • Midwest_kcM Midwest_kc

                          To be clear, I would not allow the food to stay in the danger zone too long. I’m thinking if I have the sausages refrigerated, then give them, say, 2 hours of cold smoke and then back in the fridge, and then cooking them through at a later time (within a couple days, or vac sealing and freezing until I’m ready to use them).

                          That may not be long enough, and I could probably go up to 3 hours of smoke and still be plenty safe of the danger zone.

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                          Midwest_kc said in Thoughts for Cold Smoked sausage:

                          To be clear, I would not allow the food to stay in the danger zone too long. I’m thinking if I have the sausages refrigerated, then give them, say, 2 hours of cold smoke and then back in the fridge, and then cooking them through at a later time (within a couple days, or vac sealing and freezing until I’m ready to use them).

                          That may not be long enough, and I could probably go up to 3 hours of smoke and still be plenty safe of the danger zone.

                          I think that is a good assumption and good plan, especially if you do it in the cold temps we are having right now

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