Starter Culture Bactotoferm- FR M-52 (need help)
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I made a small batch of sausage and I used the recommended amount of Bactoferm F-RM-52 and 0.8% dextrose. The sausage is hanging in a controlled environment: 67 - 73 F and 85% humidity. The initial pH was 5.8. After 10 hours, the pH is still at 5.8. How long should it take for the pH to drop to 5.0 or lower?
Robin05 said in Starter Culture Bactotoferm- FR M-52 (need help):
I made a small batch of sausage and I used the recommended amount of Bactoferm F-RM-52 and 0.8% dextrose. The sausage is hanging in a controlled environment: 67 - 73 F and 85% humidity. The initial pH was 5.8. After 10 hours, the pH is still at 5.8. How long should it take for the pH to drop to 5.0 or lower?
mrobisr or Dr_Pain may be the ones to help you on that, they have a bit more experience in that area.
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Dry-Cured-Sausage Anyone want to jump on this? Some good information on page 10 of this https://meatsci.osu.edu/sites/meatsci/files/imce/1996_dry_fermented_sausage.pdf I wouldn’t panic too badly if it wasn’t moving after 10 hours. What are you using to test the pH?
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I made a small batch of sausage and I used the recommended amount of Bactoferm F-RM-52 and 0.8% dextrose. The sausage is hanging in a controlled environment: 67 - 73 F and 85% humidity. The initial pH was 5.8. After 10 hours, the pH is still at 5.8. How long should it take for the pH to drop to 5.0 or lower?
Robin05 It usually takes mine a couple of days to get down to 5.0 I try and keep my temps around 70-72°.
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Robin05 So 72-90° is recommended for fermentation for use with this. I would get it up into that range and within 24 hours you should start to see some drop but if you are down on the 67° side of that scale it is going to be sub-optimal.
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Robin05 It usually takes mine a couple of days to get down to 5.0 I try and keep my temps around 70-72°.
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I made a small batch of sausage and I used the recommended amount of Bactoferm F-RM-52 and 0.8% dextrose. The sausage is hanging in a controlled environment: 67 - 73 F and 85% humidity. The initial pH was 5.8. After 10 hours, the pH is still at 5.8. How long should it take for the pH to drop to 5.0 or lower?
Robin05 it can take 2-4 days to reach the lower ph. Naturally the lower the temperature the slower the fermentation, but with 52 it will produce a better product at the lower end of the temperature range. I would not go below 70f as that is really below the value of the culture.
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My max temp is around 75 because at higher temperature I can’t maintain humidity and I need the humidity to avoid case hardning
Robin05 to avoid humidity issues simply wrap the sausage in cling film and the sausage will not dry out thus no case hardening. Once fermentation is complete remove film and process as desired.
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Robin05 it can take 2-4 days to reach the lower ph. Naturally the lower the temperature the slower the fermentation, but with 52 it will produce a better product at the lower end of the temperature range. I would not go below 70f as that is really below the value of the culture.
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mrobisr Cling film? Are you talking about a plastic wrap or is this something I am unaware of? Remember I’ve only made 3 batches of cured sausage. Was planning on using 2021 to work on it but then everything kept going insane! Hopefully, 2022-23 will allow me the time to learn the process better.
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mrobisr Cling film? Are you talking about a plastic wrap or is this something I am unaware of? Remember I’ve only made 3 batches of cured sausage. Was planning on using 2021 to work on it but then everything kept going insane! Hopefully, 2022-23 will allow me the time to learn the process better.
Jonathon yes sir plastic wrap or as a brand Saran wrap
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mrobisr Cling film? Are you talking about a plastic wrap or is this something I am unaware of? Remember I’ve only made 3 batches of cured sausage. Was planning on using 2021 to work on it but then everything kept going insane! Hopefully, 2022-23 will allow me the time to learn the process better.
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I made a small batch of sausage and I used the recommended amount of Bactoferm F-RM-52 and 0.8% dextrose. The sausage is hanging in a controlled environment: 67 - 73 F and 85% humidity. The initial pH was 5.8. After 10 hours, the pH is still at 5.8. How long should it take for the pH to drop to 5.0 or lower?
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Robin05 the recipe you have calls for cure #1? We’ve (my brother and I) always used cure #2 for all our dry cured products.
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Ronald Dore if it’s a short cure <30 days or cooked as Robin mentioned in another post then cure #1 is the right cure.
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Sorry I missed this conversation. The pH will dip faster in slightly higher temps and humidity. I normally try to keep my humidity at 90% and temps 75F. To achieve the 90% I just wrap each sausage in plastic wrap and put it in my warmest room in the house
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