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  • F fallis10

    http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
    Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.
    Buy cure salt #1, and for a single belly, the smallest package you can buy will likely be enough. I buy 10 pound buckets, and make bacon 2-3 times per month, and a bucket lasts me over a year.
    Mix up the brine formula, put that plus the belly into food safe bags (I cut my belly in half “hamburger style” so I can still get full slices when I’m done, and I use Ziploc 2 gallon bags- 1 half of the belly in each bags).
    This will cure for 7 days in the fridge. Suggest using a cookie sheet under the bags in case they leak. You can always wrap the bags up tightly in plastic wrap to help with this as well. Every day, just pick a time that works for you so it is consistent, you want to flip the bellies over. This allows even brining and also makes you feel involved and important while the brine does its thing!
    After 7 days, remove the bellies, rinse them very well under cold water to remove excess salt (some people soak them for a few hours, but I never have and my bacon is fantastic).
    Here is the real divider amongst the bacon-making community: smoking. Some hot smoke and some cold smoke. Either way it is great. You just do you here and see which method you like more. Being winter, it is a great time to try cold smoking. If you have an offset smoker, lighting a fire in the smoke box is a bad idea. Buy an A-Maze-In Smoke Tub or maze tray (tray holds more pellets). Cold smoke for 4-6 hours based on flavor preference.
    I hot smoke at 225-250 for 4 hours. Either way, still fry it or bake it when ready to eat. If you’re great with a knife, cut the skinniest slices you can. A slicing knife works better than a regular kitchen knife does. Eventually buy a decent deli slicer. Keep an eye on Facebook market place in areas where there are hunters. Some areas are better than others to search for this stuff.
    So cure 7 days, flipping it. Smoke it. Cut it. Cook it. Eat it. Repeat it.

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    wrote on last edited by
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    fallis10 nice explanation. Thank you for this.

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    • F fallis10

      Ridley Acres are you injecting the brine into the bellies or dry/wet brining in bags? Liquid honey isn’t actually pure sugar. If you’re trying for a honey bacon like orange honey, honey cinnamon, etc, it is best to do a base brine, water down the honey before smoking and inject it into the belly, then while it cools in the fridge, smear the honey on top of the belly to cold and tack up along with whatever you are also adding to the honey. It is stay on the belly more this way and won’t potentially ruin an otherwise tried and true brine formula.

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      cdavis
      Team Blue Big Green Egg Masterbuilt Canning Kamado Joes Regular Contributors Power User
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      fallis10 good info. Thanks

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      • F fallis10

        http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
        Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.
        Buy cure salt #1, and for a single belly, the smallest package you can buy will likely be enough. I buy 10 pound buckets, and make bacon 2-3 times per month, and a bucket lasts me over a year.
        Mix up the brine formula, put that plus the belly into food safe bags (I cut my belly in half “hamburger style” so I can still get full slices when I’m done, and I use Ziploc 2 gallon bags- 1 half of the belly in each bags).
        This will cure for 7 days in the fridge. Suggest using a cookie sheet under the bags in case they leak. You can always wrap the bags up tightly in plastic wrap to help with this as well. Every day, just pick a time that works for you so it is consistent, you want to flip the bellies over. This allows even brining and also makes you feel involved and important while the brine does its thing!
        After 7 days, remove the bellies, rinse them very well under cold water to remove excess salt (some people soak them for a few hours, but I never have and my bacon is fantastic).
        Here is the real divider amongst the bacon-making community: smoking. Some hot smoke and some cold smoke. Either way it is great. You just do you here and see which method you like more. Being winter, it is a great time to try cold smoking. If you have an offset smoker, lighting a fire in the smoke box is a bad idea. Buy an A-Maze-In Smoke Tub or maze tray (tray holds more pellets). Cold smoke for 4-6 hours based on flavor preference.
        I hot smoke at 225-250 for 4 hours. Either way, still fry it or bake it when ready to eat. If you’re great with a knife, cut the skinniest slices you can. A slicing knife works better than a regular kitchen knife does. Eventually buy a decent deli slicer. Keep an eye on Facebook market place in areas where there are hunters. Some areas are better than others to search for this stuff.
        So cure 7 days, flipping it. Smoke it. Cut it. Cook it. Eat it. Repeat it.

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        processhead
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        wrote on last edited by processhead
        #49

        fallis10 said in Basic bacon rundown please:

        http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
        Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.

        I would add one thing to fallis10 very good summary.
        If you are only doing one or two bellies, you are weighing some very small amounts of salt, sugar, and cure #1.

        To get the accuracy you need for weighing these small amounts, get a digital kitchen scale with a maximum range of 500 grams.

        They are cheap and give you the required accuracy for weighing out the dry ingredients.

        Unfortunately, I don’t see any low range scales on Walton’s web site but they are available on Amazon and elsewhere.
        Update: Here is the Walton’s scale.

        d7357cc8-d1ae-49fb-b2f4-90cef94cb548-image.png

        296c48d2-b199-43f8-b7fb-2793f9d6278c-image.png

        Paul

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        • processheadP processhead

          fallis10 said in Basic bacon rundown please:

          http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
          Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.

          I would add one thing to fallis10 very good summary.
          If you are only doing one or two bellies, you are weighing some very small amounts of salt, sugar, and cure #1.

          To get the accuracy you need for weighing these small amounts, get a digital kitchen scale with a maximum range of 500 grams.

          They are cheap and give you the required accuracy for weighing out the dry ingredients.

          Unfortunately, I don’t see any low range scales on Walton’s web site but they are available on Amazon and elsewhere.
          Update: Here is the Walton’s scale.

          d7357cc8-d1ae-49fb-b2f4-90cef94cb548-image.png

          296c48d2-b199-43f8-b7fb-2793f9d6278c-image.png

          ND MikeN Offline
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          Big Green Egg Team Blue Regular Contributors Cast Iron Power User
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          processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

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          • ND MikeN ND Mike

            processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

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            wrote on last edited by processhead
            #51

            ND Mike said in Basic bacon rundown please:

            processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

            Yes thanks ND Mike! That one is perfect and I missed it hidden in with the thermometers instead of the scales.

            Paul

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            • processheadP processhead

              fallis10 said in Basic bacon rundown please:

              http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
              Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.

              I would add one thing to fallis10 very good summary.
              If you are only doing one or two bellies, you are weighing some very small amounts of salt, sugar, and cure #1.

              To get the accuracy you need for weighing these small amounts, get a digital kitchen scale with a maximum range of 500 grams.

              They are cheap and give you the required accuracy for weighing out the dry ingredients.

              Unfortunately, I don’t see any low range scales on Walton’s web site but they are available on Amazon and elsewhere.
              Update: Here is the Walton’s scale.

              d7357cc8-d1ae-49fb-b2f4-90cef94cb548-image.png

              296c48d2-b199-43f8-b7fb-2793f9d6278c-image.png

              lkrfletcherL Offline
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              lkrfletcher
              Sous Vide Canning PK100 Team Blue Power User Regular Contributors Veteran
              wrote on last edited by
              #52

              processhead I have this scale. It is a good one.

              Life is a Garden - Dig it.

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              • processheadP processhead

                ND Mike said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

                Yes thanks ND Mike! That one is perfect and I missed it hidden in with the thermometers instead of the scales.

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                PapaSop
                Team Orange Power User Veteran
                wrote on last edited by
                #53

                processhead
                I have this one also. Works great.

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                • lkrfletcherL lkrfletcher

                  processhead I have this scale. It is a good one.

                  ND MikeN Offline
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                  ND Mike
                  Big Green Egg Team Blue Regular Contributors Cast Iron Power User
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #54

                  lkrfletcher that is good to know. I have an el cheapo one that this could replace.

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                  • PapaSopP PapaSop

                    processhead
                    I have this one also. Works great.

                    ND MikeN Offline
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                    PapaSop well, that is 2 yes votes for this scale.

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                    • F fallis10

                      http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
                      Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.
                      Buy cure salt #1, and for a single belly, the smallest package you can buy will likely be enough. I buy 10 pound buckets, and make bacon 2-3 times per month, and a bucket lasts me over a year.
                      Mix up the brine formula, put that plus the belly into food safe bags (I cut my belly in half “hamburger style” so I can still get full slices when I’m done, and I use Ziploc 2 gallon bags- 1 half of the belly in each bags).
                      This will cure for 7 days in the fridge. Suggest using a cookie sheet under the bags in case they leak. You can always wrap the bags up tightly in plastic wrap to help with this as well. Every day, just pick a time that works for you so it is consistent, you want to flip the bellies over. This allows even brining and also makes you feel involved and important while the brine does its thing!
                      After 7 days, remove the bellies, rinse them very well under cold water to remove excess salt (some people soak them for a few hours, but I never have and my bacon is fantastic).
                      Here is the real divider amongst the bacon-making community: smoking. Some hot smoke and some cold smoke. Either way it is great. You just do you here and see which method you like more. Being winter, it is a great time to try cold smoking. If you have an offset smoker, lighting a fire in the smoke box is a bad idea. Buy an A-Maze-In Smoke Tub or maze tray (tray holds more pellets). Cold smoke for 4-6 hours based on flavor preference.
                      I hot smoke at 225-250 for 4 hours. Either way, still fry it or bake it when ready to eat. If you’re great with a knife, cut the skinniest slices you can. A slicing knife works better than a regular kitchen knife does. Eventually buy a decent deli slicer. Keep an eye on Facebook market place in areas where there are hunters. Some areas are better than others to search for this stuff.
                      So cure 7 days, flipping it. Smoke it. Cut it. Cook it. Eat it. Repeat it.

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                      bocephus
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #56

                      fallis10 Thanks for this, I will be trying bacon for the first time this year.

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                      • lkrfletcherL lkrfletcher

                        I was able to find a 10 lb pork belly. As I have never made bacon before, but have been inspired to try by this community, I am wondering if I can get a basic rundown of the process.

                        1. Which cure to buy?
                        2. Qty of cure to water for 10 lb.
                        3. Soak time?
                        4. Some time?
                        5. Is there a way to incorporate Jalapeño flavor? At what step would this take place?
                        6. Any other tips - like slicing -
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                        mrobisr
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                        lkrfletcher cold smoked bacon today then vac sealed to bring everything to equilibrium in frig for 3-4 days.20211128_185801.jpg

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                        • processheadP processhead

                          ND Mike said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                          processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

                          Yes thanks ND Mike! That one is perfect and I missed it hidden in with the thermometers instead of the scales.

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                          bocephus
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                          processhead The scale works great for measuring seasonings.

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                          • processheadP processhead

                            ND Mike said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                            processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

                            Yes thanks ND Mike! That one is perfect and I missed it hidden in with the thermometers instead of the scales.

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                            lkrfletcher
                            Sous Vide Canning PK100 Team Blue Power User Regular Contributors Veteran
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                            processhead = These will more than likely be on sale during the livestream today. Just ask and they put things on sale.

                            Life is a Garden - Dig it.

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                            • processheadP processhead

                              ND Mike said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                              processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

                              Yes thanks ND Mike! That one is perfect and I missed it hidden in with the thermometers instead of the scales.

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                              processhead You won’t regret getting this scale. I really like mine.

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                                My scale has a glass platform, and product tends to overhang the readout, so I’d like to upgrade eventually.

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                                • mrobisrM mrobisr

                                  lkrfletcher cold smoked bacon today then vac sealed to bring everything to equilibrium in frig for 3-4 days.20211128_185801.jpg

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                                  mrobisr your bacon undefined looks great 👍

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                                    Now that I’ve done a couple runs with the Walton’s dry rub, curious about the EQ method. First dumb question. With such a small amount of cure used, how does this get evenly dispersed through the meat? Thinking about sausage and sticks where I dissolve the cure in water for even dispersion.

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                                    • PapaSopP PapaSop

                                      Now that I’ve done a couple runs with the Walton’s dry rub, curious about the EQ method. First dumb question. With such a small amount of cure used, how does this get evenly dispersed through the meat? Thinking about sausage and sticks where I dissolve the cure in water for even dispersion.

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                                      #64

                                      PapaSop said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                                      Now that I’ve done a couple runs with the Walton’s dry rub, curious about the EQ method. First dumb question. With such a small amount of cure used, how does this get evenly dispersed through the meat? Thinking about sausage and sticks where I dissolve the cure in water for even dispersion.

                                      It starts with mixing the salt, sugar, and cure #1 plus and other dry ingredients together well. The amounts are calculated to give the requisite concentration based on the green weight of the belly. Next, the well mixed ingredients are sprinkled evenly over the muscle side of the belly.

                                      Next the belly is put in a large ziplock bag or carefully wrapped in plastic film. While wrapping, take care not to lose any rub off the belly. I like to use a 2 gallon ziplock, which will hold a side that has been sliced in half. Put the two meat sides of each half-slab facing together.

                                      Given adequate time, the ingredients will be absorbed into the meat and and the relative concentration of everything will equalize through the meat.

                                      The other reason you use a relatively small amount of curing ingredients is that all of it is going into the meat. Since it is wrapped, the ingredients basically got nowhere else to go. No wet brine so nothing stays behind or falls off the belly like with other dry bacon rub methods.

                                      Some say you don’t really need to turn the belly daily. I do it anyway.

                                      Time is your friend here, PapaSop .

                                      Paul

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                                      • PapaSopP PapaSop

                                        Now that I’ve done a couple runs with the Walton’s dry rub, curious about the EQ method. First dumb question. With such a small amount of cure used, how does this get evenly dispersed through the meat? Thinking about sausage and sticks where I dissolve the cure in water for even dispersion.

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                                        PapaSop just have to mix cure with salt (and sugar if you are using it ) well. Then spread it out evenly all over the belly. Put it in a bag along with anything that may have fallen off. Get it all in there. Then wait. I vac seal mine so I will try to rub the little bit of liquid around and flip every couple of days.
                                        I just prepped 2 bellies this morning. Cut one in thirds and cut other one in half. Need to do a few different runs in the pk100 to test it and learn more about what I will like.

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                                        • processheadP processhead

                                          PapaSop said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                                          Now that I’ve done a couple runs with the Walton’s dry rub, curious about the EQ method. First dumb question. With such a small amount of cure used, how does this get evenly dispersed through the meat? Thinking about sausage and sticks where I dissolve the cure in water for even dispersion.

                                          It starts with mixing the salt, sugar, and cure #1 plus and other dry ingredients together well. The amounts are calculated to give the requisite concentration based on the green weight of the belly. Next, the well mixed ingredients are sprinkled evenly over the muscle side of the belly.

                                          Next the belly is put in a large ziplock bag or carefully wrapped in plastic film. While wrapping, take care not to lose any rub off the belly. I like to use a 2 gallon ziplock, which will hold a side that has been sliced in half. Put the two meat sides of each half-slab facing together.

                                          Given adequate time, the ingredients will be absorbed into the meat and and the relative concentration of everything will equalize through the meat.

                                          The other reason you use a relatively small amount of curing ingredients is that all of it is going into the meat. Since it is wrapped, the ingredients basically got nowhere else to go. No wet brine so nothing stays behind or falls off the belly like with other dry bacon rub methods.

                                          Some say you don’t really need to turn the belly daily. I do it anyway.

                                          Time is your friend here, PapaSop .

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                                          processhead said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                                          PapaSop said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                                          Now that I’ve done a couple runs with the Walton’s dry rub, curious about the EQ method. First dumb question. With such a small amount of cure used, how does this get evenly dispersed through the meat? Thinking about sausage and sticks where I dissolve the cure in water for even dispersion.

                                          It starts with mixing the salt, sugar, and cure #1 plus and other dry ingredients together well. The amounts are calculated to give the requisite concentration based on the green weight of the belly. Next, the well mixed ingredients are sprinkled evenly over the muscle side of the belly.

                                          Next the belly is put in a large ziplock bag or carefully wrapped in plastic film. While wrapping, take care not to lose any rub off the belly. I like to use a 2 gallon ziplock, which will hold a side that has been sliced in half. Put the two meat sides of each half-slab facing together.

                                          Given adequate time, the ingredients will be absorbed into the meat and and the relative concentration of everything will equalize through the meat.

                                          The other reason you use a relatively small amount of curing ingredients is that all of it is going into the meat. Since it is wrapped, the ingredients basically got nowhere else to go. No wet brine so nothing stays behind or falls off the belly like with other dry bacon rub methods.

                                          Some say you don’t really need to turn the belly daily. I do it anyway.

                                          Time is your friend here, PapaSop .

                                          Thank you. That’s basically the answer I was looking for. 👍👏

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