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  • Ridley AcresR Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #37

    For the dry EQ method, would honey be 1:1 replacement for sugar or would the liquid honey necessitate an adjustment somewhere

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    • lkrfletcherL lkrfletcher

      I was able to find a 10 lb pork belly. As I have never made bacon before, but have been inspired to try by this community, I am wondering if I can get a basic rundown of the process.

      1. Which cure to buy?
      2. Qty of cure to water for 10 lb.
      3. Soak time?
      4. Some time?
      5. Is there a way to incorporate Jalapeño flavor? At what step would this take place?
      6. Any other tips - like slicing -
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      mrobisr
      Team Blue Cast Iron Sous Vide Canning Dry Cured Sausage Masterbuilt Military Veterans Power User Regular Contributors
      wrote on last edited by
      #38

      lkrfletcher 20211127_204509.jpg
      Just pulled mine out of the vac bags to dry, tomorrow they get a bath in cold apple wood smoke.

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      • lkrfletcherL lkrfletcher

        I was able to find a 10 lb pork belly. As I have never made bacon before, but have been inspired to try by this community, I am wondering if I can get a basic rundown of the process.

        1. Which cure to buy?
        2. Qty of cure to water for 10 lb.
        3. Soak time?
        4. Some time?
        5. Is there a way to incorporate Jalapeño flavor? At what step would this take place?
        6. Any other tips - like slicing -
        DeepwoodsbutcherD Offline
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        Deepwoodsbutcher
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        wrote on last edited by
        #39

        lkrfletcher LEM makes a jalapeño bacon cure. I have done their original dry rub and was very pleased with the flavor. I’ve made bacon commercially in wet brine with shop made recipes, but I really like the convenience of dry brine at home.

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        • Randie NR Randie N

          lkrfletcher here is something else you can do with some of the belly. Make Pork belly burnt ends or cure and make bacon burnt ends
          20210531_170944.jpg

          20210531_193547.jpg

          YooperDogY Offline
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          YooperDog
          Team Orange Masterbuilt Big Green Egg Dry Cured Sausage Sous Vide Canning Power User
          wrote on last edited by
          #40

          Randie N Nuthin’ wrong with a little bit of bacon burnt ends. Looks pretty darn G-U-D, good!

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          • F Offline
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            fallis10
            Yearling
            wrote on last edited by
            #41

            http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
            Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.
            Buy cure salt #1, and for a single belly, the smallest package you can buy will likely be enough. I buy 10 pound buckets, and make bacon 2-3 times per month, and a bucket lasts me over a year.
            Mix up the brine formula, put that plus the belly into food safe bags (I cut my belly in half “hamburger style” so I can still get full slices when I’m done, and I use Ziploc 2 gallon bags- 1 half of the belly in each bags).
            This will cure for 7 days in the fridge. Suggest using a cookie sheet under the bags in case they leak. You can always wrap the bags up tightly in plastic wrap to help with this as well. Every day, just pick a time that works for you so it is consistent, you want to flip the bellies over. This allows even brining and also makes you feel involved and important while the brine does its thing!
            After 7 days, remove the bellies, rinse them very well under cold water to remove excess salt (some people soak them for a few hours, but I never have and my bacon is fantastic).
            Here is the real divider amongst the bacon-making community: smoking. Some hot smoke and some cold smoke. Either way it is great. You just do you here and see which method you like more. Being winter, it is a great time to try cold smoking. If you have an offset smoker, lighting a fire in the smoke box is a bad idea. Buy an A-Maze-In Smoke Tub or maze tray (tray holds more pellets). Cold smoke for 4-6 hours based on flavor preference.
            I hot smoke at 225-250 for 4 hours. Either way, still fry it or bake it when ready to eat. If you’re great with a knife, cut the skinniest slices you can. A slicing knife works better than a regular kitchen knife does. Eventually buy a decent deli slicer. Keep an eye on Facebook market place in areas where there are hunters. Some areas are better than others to search for this stuff.
            So cure 7 days, flipping it. Smoke it. Cut it. Cook it. Eat it. Repeat it.

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            • SurgS Offline
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              Surg
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              wrote on last edited by
              #42

              I dry brine in a vac bag similar to those methods above. I tried adding a ton of jalapeño powder one time, but couldn’t really taste any difference. Kind of a waste of seasoning (for the powdered one at least).

              “A smooth sea never made a skilled sailor.”

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                fallis10
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                wrote on last edited by
                #43

                Forgot the jalapeño part! After it is smoked, do this:
                Mash the jalapeños with a little bit (smallest amount as needed) in a mortar and pestle until you have a light paste. You will wear disposable gloves to rub the green paste thinly onto the smoked bellies and the refrigerate them for 6-12 hours until cold before slicing them into bacon. Do not brine with pepper slices in the mixture. It tosses your alkalinity out the window and can allow bacteria to prosper in the brine mixture- brining removes and prevents bacteria growth. Don’t waste product and 7 days of waiting by doing any method with peppers in the brine.

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                • Randie NR Randie N

                  Here is some of it hot smoked. Can’t find pics of the cold smoked.

                  20210921_161939.jpg

                  cdavisC Offline
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                  cdavis
                  Team Blue Big Green Egg Masterbuilt Canning Kamado Joes Regular Contributors Power User
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #44

                  Randie N your bacon undefined looks great

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                  • Ridley AcresR Ridley Acres

                    For the dry EQ method, would honey be 1:1 replacement for sugar or would the liquid honey necessitate an adjustment somewhere

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                    fallis10
                    Yearling
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #45

                    Ridley Acres are you injecting the brine into the bellies or dry/wet brining in bags? Liquid honey isn’t actually pure sugar. If you’re trying for a honey bacon like orange honey, honey cinnamon, etc, it is best to do a base brine, water down the honey before smoking and inject it into the belly, then while it cools in the fridge, smear the honey on top of the belly to cold and tack up along with whatever you are also adding to the honey. It is stay on the belly more this way and won’t potentially ruin an otherwise tried and true brine formula.

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                    • Randie NR Randie N

                      lkrfletcher here is something else you can do with some of the belly. Make Pork belly burnt ends or cure and make bacon burnt ends
                      20210531_170944.jpg

                      20210531_193547.jpg

                      cdavisC Offline
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                      cdavis
                      Team Blue Big Green Egg Masterbuilt Canning Kamado Joes Regular Contributors Power User
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #46

                      Randie N those burnt ends look delicious 😋

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                      • F fallis10

                        http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
                        Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.
                        Buy cure salt #1, and for a single belly, the smallest package you can buy will likely be enough. I buy 10 pound buckets, and make bacon 2-3 times per month, and a bucket lasts me over a year.
                        Mix up the brine formula, put that plus the belly into food safe bags (I cut my belly in half “hamburger style” so I can still get full slices when I’m done, and I use Ziploc 2 gallon bags- 1 half of the belly in each bags).
                        This will cure for 7 days in the fridge. Suggest using a cookie sheet under the bags in case they leak. You can always wrap the bags up tightly in plastic wrap to help with this as well. Every day, just pick a time that works for you so it is consistent, you want to flip the bellies over. This allows even brining and also makes you feel involved and important while the brine does its thing!
                        After 7 days, remove the bellies, rinse them very well under cold water to remove excess salt (some people soak them for a few hours, but I never have and my bacon is fantastic).
                        Here is the real divider amongst the bacon-making community: smoking. Some hot smoke and some cold smoke. Either way it is great. You just do you here and see which method you like more. Being winter, it is a great time to try cold smoking. If you have an offset smoker, lighting a fire in the smoke box is a bad idea. Buy an A-Maze-In Smoke Tub or maze tray (tray holds more pellets). Cold smoke for 4-6 hours based on flavor preference.
                        I hot smoke at 225-250 for 4 hours. Either way, still fry it or bake it when ready to eat. If you’re great with a knife, cut the skinniest slices you can. A slicing knife works better than a regular kitchen knife does. Eventually buy a decent deli slicer. Keep an eye on Facebook market place in areas where there are hunters. Some areas are better than others to search for this stuff.
                        So cure 7 days, flipping it. Smoke it. Cut it. Cook it. Eat it. Repeat it.

                        ND MikeN Offline
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                        ND Mike
                        Big Green Egg Team Blue Regular Contributors Cast Iron Power User
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #47

                        fallis10 nice explanation. Thank you for this.

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                        • F fallis10

                          Ridley Acres are you injecting the brine into the bellies or dry/wet brining in bags? Liquid honey isn’t actually pure sugar. If you’re trying for a honey bacon like orange honey, honey cinnamon, etc, it is best to do a base brine, water down the honey before smoking and inject it into the belly, then while it cools in the fridge, smear the honey on top of the belly to cold and tack up along with whatever you are also adding to the honey. It is stay on the belly more this way and won’t potentially ruin an otherwise tried and true brine formula.

                          cdavisC Offline
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                          cdavis
                          Team Blue Big Green Egg Masterbuilt Canning Kamado Joes Regular Contributors Power User
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #48

                          fallis10 good info. Thanks

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                          • F fallis10

                            http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
                            Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.
                            Buy cure salt #1, and for a single belly, the smallest package you can buy will likely be enough. I buy 10 pound buckets, and make bacon 2-3 times per month, and a bucket lasts me over a year.
                            Mix up the brine formula, put that plus the belly into food safe bags (I cut my belly in half “hamburger style” so I can still get full slices when I’m done, and I use Ziploc 2 gallon bags- 1 half of the belly in each bags).
                            This will cure for 7 days in the fridge. Suggest using a cookie sheet under the bags in case they leak. You can always wrap the bags up tightly in plastic wrap to help with this as well. Every day, just pick a time that works for you so it is consistent, you want to flip the bellies over. This allows even brining and also makes you feel involved and important while the brine does its thing!
                            After 7 days, remove the bellies, rinse them very well under cold water to remove excess salt (some people soak them for a few hours, but I never have and my bacon is fantastic).
                            Here is the real divider amongst the bacon-making community: smoking. Some hot smoke and some cold smoke. Either way it is great. You just do you here and see which method you like more. Being winter, it is a great time to try cold smoking. If you have an offset smoker, lighting a fire in the smoke box is a bad idea. Buy an A-Maze-In Smoke Tub or maze tray (tray holds more pellets). Cold smoke for 4-6 hours based on flavor preference.
                            I hot smoke at 225-250 for 4 hours. Either way, still fry it or bake it when ready to eat. If you’re great with a knife, cut the skinniest slices you can. A slicing knife works better than a regular kitchen knife does. Eventually buy a decent deli slicer. Keep an eye on Facebook market place in areas where there are hunters. Some areas are better than others to search for this stuff.
                            So cure 7 days, flipping it. Smoke it. Cut it. Cook it. Eat it. Repeat it.

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                            processhead
                            Regular Contributors Power User
                            wrote on last edited by processhead
                            #49

                            fallis10 said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                            http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
                            Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.

                            I would add one thing to fallis10 very good summary.
                            If you are only doing one or two bellies, you are weighing some very small amounts of salt, sugar, and cure #1.

                            To get the accuracy you need for weighing these small amounts, get a digital kitchen scale with a maximum range of 500 grams.

                            They are cheap and give you the required accuracy for weighing out the dry ingredients.

                            Unfortunately, I don’t see any low range scales on Walton’s web site but they are available on Amazon and elsewhere.
                            Update: Here is the Walton’s scale.

                            d7357cc8-d1ae-49fb-b2f4-90cef94cb548-image.png

                            296c48d2-b199-43f8-b7fb-2793f9d6278c-image.png

                            Paul

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                            • processheadP processhead

                              fallis10 said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                              http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
                              Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.

                              I would add one thing to fallis10 very good summary.
                              If you are only doing one or two bellies, you are weighing some very small amounts of salt, sugar, and cure #1.

                              To get the accuracy you need for weighing these small amounts, get a digital kitchen scale with a maximum range of 500 grams.

                              They are cheap and give you the required accuracy for weighing out the dry ingredients.

                              Unfortunately, I don’t see any low range scales on Walton’s web site but they are available on Amazon and elsewhere.
                              Update: Here is the Walton’s scale.

                              d7357cc8-d1ae-49fb-b2f4-90cef94cb548-image.png

                              296c48d2-b199-43f8-b7fb-2793f9d6278c-image.png

                              ND MikeN Offline
                              ND MikeN Offline
                              ND Mike
                              Big Green Egg Team Blue Regular Contributors Cast Iron Power User
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #50

                              processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

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                              • ND MikeN ND Mike

                                processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

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                                processhead
                                Regular Contributors Power User
                                wrote on last edited by processhead
                                #51

                                ND Mike said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                                processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

                                Yes thanks ND Mike! That one is perfect and I missed it hidden in with the thermometers instead of the scales.

                                Paul

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                                • processheadP processhead

                                  fallis10 said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                                  http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
                                  Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.

                                  I would add one thing to fallis10 very good summary.
                                  If you are only doing one or two bellies, you are weighing some very small amounts of salt, sugar, and cure #1.

                                  To get the accuracy you need for weighing these small amounts, get a digital kitchen scale with a maximum range of 500 grams.

                                  They are cheap and give you the required accuracy for weighing out the dry ingredients.

                                  Unfortunately, I don’t see any low range scales on Walton’s web site but they are available on Amazon and elsewhere.
                                  Update: Here is the Walton’s scale.

                                  d7357cc8-d1ae-49fb-b2f4-90cef94cb548-image.png

                                  296c48d2-b199-43f8-b7fb-2793f9d6278c-image.png

                                  lkrfletcherL Offline
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                                  lkrfletcher
                                  Sous Vide Canning PK100 Team Blue Power User Regular Contributors Veteran
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #52

                                  processhead I have this scale. It is a good one.

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                                  • processheadP processhead

                                    ND Mike said in Basic bacon rundown please:

                                    processhead maybe this one? Looks like it would work. https://www.waltonsinc.com/escali-precision-digital-scale

                                    Yes thanks ND Mike! That one is perfect and I missed it hidden in with the thermometers instead of the scales.

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                                    PapaSop
                                    Team Orange Power User Veteran
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #53

                                    processhead
                                    I have this one also. Works great.

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                                    • lkrfletcherL lkrfletcher

                                      processhead I have this scale. It is a good one.

                                      ND MikeN Offline
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                                      ND Mike
                                      Big Green Egg Team Blue Regular Contributors Cast Iron Power User
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #54

                                      lkrfletcher that is good to know. I have an el cheapo one that this could replace.

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                                      • PapaSopP PapaSop

                                        processhead
                                        I have this one also. Works great.

                                        ND MikeN Offline
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                                        ND Mike
                                        Big Green Egg Team Blue Regular Contributors Cast Iron Power User
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #55

                                        PapaSop well, that is 2 yes votes for this scale.

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                                        • F fallis10

                                          http://www.diggingdogfarm.com/page2.html
                                          Use this site for the cure ratio. You will need a reliable scale for this. It all depends on weight. Make sure you zero the scale to account for the weight of bowls or containers you are using so it doesn’t throw off the meat:ingredients ratios.
                                          Buy cure salt #1, and for a single belly, the smallest package you can buy will likely be enough. I buy 10 pound buckets, and make bacon 2-3 times per month, and a bucket lasts me over a year.
                                          Mix up the brine formula, put that plus the belly into food safe bags (I cut my belly in half “hamburger style” so I can still get full slices when I’m done, and I use Ziploc 2 gallon bags- 1 half of the belly in each bags).
                                          This will cure for 7 days in the fridge. Suggest using a cookie sheet under the bags in case they leak. You can always wrap the bags up tightly in plastic wrap to help with this as well. Every day, just pick a time that works for you so it is consistent, you want to flip the bellies over. This allows even brining and also makes you feel involved and important while the brine does its thing!
                                          After 7 days, remove the bellies, rinse them very well under cold water to remove excess salt (some people soak them for a few hours, but I never have and my bacon is fantastic).
                                          Here is the real divider amongst the bacon-making community: smoking. Some hot smoke and some cold smoke. Either way it is great. You just do you here and see which method you like more. Being winter, it is a great time to try cold smoking. If you have an offset smoker, lighting a fire in the smoke box is a bad idea. Buy an A-Maze-In Smoke Tub or maze tray (tray holds more pellets). Cold smoke for 4-6 hours based on flavor preference.
                                          I hot smoke at 225-250 for 4 hours. Either way, still fry it or bake it when ready to eat. If you’re great with a knife, cut the skinniest slices you can. A slicing knife works better than a regular kitchen knife does. Eventually buy a decent deli slicer. Keep an eye on Facebook market place in areas where there are hunters. Some areas are better than others to search for this stuff.
                                          So cure 7 days, flipping it. Smoke it. Cut it. Cook it. Eat it. Repeat it.

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                                          bocephus
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                                          fallis10 Thanks for this, I will be trying bacon for the first time this year.

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