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  • JonathonJ Jonathon

    Power-User Regular-Contributors Any thoughts on this.

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    Cabelas90
    Team Blue
    wrote on last edited by
    #7

    Jonathon This is Good! 99% of the issues we have seen over tens of thousands of lbs of cured sausage Protein Extraction is #1 with Meat Temp #2. No two batches are the same. You have to learn to get the feel for proper protein extraction!

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    • JonathonJ Jonathon

      Meatgistics Trouble Shooting Document

      This document is to serve as a quick reference guide for people who have a specific issue and are looking for fixes and ways to avoid this on future projects.

      Issue
      Product
      Casing
      Cause
      Fix

      Dry Crumbly Sausage





      Cured Sausage





      Natural/Collagen





      1.Low Fat Content
      2. Denatured Protein
      3. Fat rendered out during cooking process


      1.70/30 Lean to Fat
      2. Do not add acidic ingredients
      3. Achieve protein extraction and use binder






      Dry Crumbly Sausage

      Fresh Sausage

      Natural/Collagen

      1.Low Fat Content
      2. Denatured Protein
      1.70/30 Lean to Fat
      2. Do not add acidic ingredients

      Casing Not Sticking












      Summer Sausage












      Fibrous/Inedible Collagen












      1.Casings not properly prepared
      2. Put in cooler too quickly
      3. Not enough protein extraction










      1.Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
      2. Summer Sausage must be left out to air dry for at least an hour after they are taking out of the ice bath to allow them to dry, otherwise moisture will build up
      3. When mixing you need to achieve the proper level of protein extraction or the fat will render out and become stuck between the casing and the meat.

      Casings Not Peeling











      Cured Sausage











      Fibrous/Inedible Collagen











      1.Casing not properly prepared
      2. Product was not cooled down properly










      1. Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
      2. Once you have reached an internal temp of 160° you must either plunge the sausage into an ice bath for 20 minutes or shower it with cold water for 20 minutes on and off every minute with a fan blowing. This helps "set" the casing

      Too Salty




      Bacon




      No casing




      1.Too Much Cure Was injected
      2. Product was not adequatley rinsed



      1. Measure carefully with an accurate scale and inject
      2. Rinse off the bacon with running water for 20 minutes instead of sitting in a meat lug of water.

      Split Casing Cooking/Stuffing












      Sausage













      Natural/Collagen













      1.Casings were stuffed too tightly
      2. Casings were twisted too much
      3. Casings are old 4.Cooked at too high an initial temperature










      1.Leave casings slightly under stuffed, you can always tighten them up with a few extra twists
      2.If casings are full to bursting twist as little as possible
      3. Depending on how they were stored and how old they are casings might have become dry and brittle. You can try leaving them uncovered in a refrigerator overnight to slightly rehydrate them.
      4. Start sausage at a lower temp so the meat and water do not expand as rapidly.



      Seasoning Clumping







      Seasoning







      NA







      1.Seasoning Improperly stored
      2. Exposed to moisture
      3. Seasoning Old





      1.You can put seasoning in the microwave to help loosen it but it must then be used quickly or it will harden back up
      2. Store in cool dry place, or vacuum seal for long term storage
      3. Discard and replace




      Meat won't get "sticky"


















      Cured Sausage


















      Any


















      1.Meat has not been mixed enough
      2. Proteins have been denatured
      3. Meat is too warm
















      1.Mixing by hand will require a long time to achieve proper protein extraction. If you are using a machine mixer you will still have to mix for about 8 minutes
      2.Something has happened to the proteins of your meat to denature them. It could be that they were exposed to an acidic environment or were previously exposed to too much heat but once they have been denatured you will not be able to get protein extraction.
      3. Protein extraction will not work once the meat has gotten over a certain temperature, it is somewhere around 50° F. Unless you can quickly get the meat back under 40° the meat should be discarded





      Casings Blowing Out While Stuffing












      Sausage













      Natural/Collagen













      1.Casings are stuffed too tightly
      2. Casings are either old or were not cared for properly
      3. The casings are being twisted too much









      1.Stuff casings are less full. For collagen this means until you can barely see the swirl pattern running down the casing, for natural casings leave casing under stuffed and tighten up when forming links.
      2.Check casings before use, if they are dry or brittle discard casings.
      3. Do not make as many twists on each link. With natural casings 2-3 twists is enough, for collagen the twist won't hold anyway, so just twists until links are separated.




      Meat is Grey








      Sausage








      NA








      1.Cure was not added.
      2. Cure was not activated.
      3. Hasn't gone through thermal processing yet





      1.Add cure when mixing meat.
      2.Cure was not left in the meat long enough and no cure accelerator was used.
      3. When mixing cured sausage the meat will turn a brownish grey, it will not become the classic pink until it has gone through thermal processing.


      Texture of Sausage is loose













      Sausage














      NA














      1.Add cure when mixing meat.
      2.Incorrect grinding size.
      3. Proteins were denatured before cooking.
      4. Meat was too lean.










      1.Mix until the meat is sticky and tacky. You want it to stretch before breaking..
      2.Fresh sausage should have some larger texture to it. For cured sausage it should be smooth with very little particles.
      3. Do not add anything that can denature the meats, such as acid, while mixing meat. Make sure the meat you are using is in good condition.
      4.Do not use meat less than 15% fat but if you do then use a binder like sure gel or carrot binder. Also, consider adding cold phosphate to increase the pH of the meat.

      Stuffing is going slowly














      Sausage














      NA














      1.Meat does not have enough fat/water.
      2.Meat is too warm.
      3. Trying to use too small stuffing tube/casing.











      1.When mixing in seasoning and additives add additional water
      2.Put meat in freezer before stuffing to bring down the temp and make the fat less sticky..
      3. Increase the size of stuffing tube and casing.









      .

      Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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      zbigjeff
      Sous Vide Team Blue Power User Regular Contributors Cast Iron
      wrote on last edited by
      #8

      Jonathon When adding liquid, is it best to mix with seasonings or just adding the liquid by itself after. Be it water, beer, wine, vinegar,etc. This is not a discussion to be responded here. It’s an expansion of the topics portion above.

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      • JonathonJ Jonathon

        Power-User Regular-Contributors Any thoughts on this.

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        kyle
        Regular Contributors Veteran Canning Team Blue Power User Sous Vide
        wrote on last edited by
        #9

        Jonathon It looked good once I looked at it on my laptop, hard to understand looking on a phone, but I know there is nothing you can do about that. Maybe could point that out at the top, or it could just be me. Also if someone is new to sausage making, a little glossary of some of the lingo might be helpful (thermal processing, protein extraction, denatured protein). I do like it, and I too am going to print it out for a couple buddies who are just getting into making sausage.

        hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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        • JonathonJ Jonathon

          Meatgistics Trouble Shooting Document

          This document is to serve as a quick reference guide for people who have a specific issue and are looking for fixes and ways to avoid this on future projects.

          Issue
          Product
          Casing
          Cause
          Fix

          Dry Crumbly Sausage





          Cured Sausage





          Natural/Collagen





          1.Low Fat Content
          2. Denatured Protein
          3. Fat rendered out during cooking process


          1.70/30 Lean to Fat
          2. Do not add acidic ingredients
          3. Achieve protein extraction and use binder






          Dry Crumbly Sausage

          Fresh Sausage

          Natural/Collagen

          1.Low Fat Content
          2. Denatured Protein
          1.70/30 Lean to Fat
          2. Do not add acidic ingredients

          Casing Not Sticking












          Summer Sausage












          Fibrous/Inedible Collagen












          1.Casings not properly prepared
          2. Put in cooler too quickly
          3. Not enough protein extraction










          1.Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
          2. Summer Sausage must be left out to air dry for at least an hour after they are taking out of the ice bath to allow them to dry, otherwise moisture will build up
          3. When mixing you need to achieve the proper level of protein extraction or the fat will render out and become stuck between the casing and the meat.

          Casings Not Peeling











          Cured Sausage











          Fibrous/Inedible Collagen











          1.Casing not properly prepared
          2. Product was not cooled down properly










          1. Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
          2. Once you have reached an internal temp of 160° you must either plunge the sausage into an ice bath for 20 minutes or shower it with cold water for 20 minutes on and off every minute with a fan blowing. This helps "set" the casing

          Too Salty




          Bacon




          No casing




          1.Too Much Cure Was injected
          2. Product was not adequatley rinsed



          1. Measure carefully with an accurate scale and inject
          2. Rinse off the bacon with running water for 20 minutes instead of sitting in a meat lug of water.

          Split Casing Cooking/Stuffing












          Sausage













          Natural/Collagen













          1.Casings were stuffed too tightly
          2. Casings were twisted too much
          3. Casings are old 4.Cooked at too high an initial temperature










          1.Leave casings slightly under stuffed, you can always tighten them up with a few extra twists
          2.If casings are full to bursting twist as little as possible
          3. Depending on how they were stored and how old they are casings might have become dry and brittle. You can try leaving them uncovered in a refrigerator overnight to slightly rehydrate them.
          4. Start sausage at a lower temp so the meat and water do not expand as rapidly.



          Seasoning Clumping







          Seasoning







          NA







          1.Seasoning Improperly stored
          2. Exposed to moisture
          3. Seasoning Old





          1.You can put seasoning in the microwave to help loosen it but it must then be used quickly or it will harden back up
          2. Store in cool dry place, or vacuum seal for long term storage
          3. Discard and replace




          Meat won't get "sticky"


















          Cured Sausage


















          Any


















          1.Meat has not been mixed enough
          2. Proteins have been denatured
          3. Meat is too warm
















          1.Mixing by hand will require a long time to achieve proper protein extraction. If you are using a machine mixer you will still have to mix for about 8 minutes
          2.Something has happened to the proteins of your meat to denature them. It could be that they were exposed to an acidic environment or were previously exposed to too much heat but once they have been denatured you will not be able to get protein extraction.
          3. Protein extraction will not work once the meat has gotten over a certain temperature, it is somewhere around 50° F. Unless you can quickly get the meat back under 40° the meat should be discarded





          Casings Blowing Out While Stuffing












          Sausage













          Natural/Collagen













          1.Casings are stuffed too tightly
          2. Casings are either old or were not cared for properly
          3. The casings are being twisted too much









          1.Stuff casings are less full. For collagen this means until you can barely see the swirl pattern running down the casing, for natural casings leave casing under stuffed and tighten up when forming links.
          2.Check casings before use, if they are dry or brittle discard casings.
          3. Do not make as many twists on each link. With natural casings 2-3 twists is enough, for collagen the twist won't hold anyway, so just twists until links are separated.




          Meat is Grey








          Sausage








          NA








          1.Cure was not added.
          2. Cure was not activated.
          3. Hasn't gone through thermal processing yet





          1.Add cure when mixing meat.
          2.Cure was not left in the meat long enough and no cure accelerator was used.
          3. When mixing cured sausage the meat will turn a brownish grey, it will not become the classic pink until it has gone through thermal processing.


          Texture of Sausage is loose













          Sausage














          NA














          1.Add cure when mixing meat.
          2.Incorrect grinding size.
          3. Proteins were denatured before cooking.
          4. Meat was too lean.










          1.Mix until the meat is sticky and tacky. You want it to stretch before breaking..
          2.Fresh sausage should have some larger texture to it. For cured sausage it should be smooth with very little particles.
          3. Do not add anything that can denature the meats, such as acid, while mixing meat. Make sure the meat you are using is in good condition.
          4.Do not use meat less than 15% fat but if you do then use a binder like sure gel or carrot binder. Also, consider adding cold phosphate to increase the pH of the meat.

          Stuffing is going slowly














          Sausage














          NA














          1.Meat does not have enough fat/water.
          2.Meat is too warm.
          3. Trying to use too small stuffing tube/casing.











          1.When mixing in seasoning and additives add additional water
          2.Put meat in freezer before stuffing to bring down the temp and make the fat less sticky..
          3. Increase the size of stuffing tube and casing.









          .

          Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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          bocephus
          Team Orange Power User Canning Masterbuilt Veteran
          wrote on last edited by bocephus
          #10

          Jonathon Are the casings not sticking and casings not peeling turned around? Shouldn’t not peeling be with summer sausage?

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          • JonathonJ Jonathon

            Power-User Regular-Contributors Any thoughts on this.

            PapaSopP Offline
            PapaSopP Offline
            PapaSop
            Team Orange Power User Veteran
            wrote on last edited by
            #11

            Jonathon
            Way to much to read through. I’ll just post a question to you. LOL
            Really though, this should help people.

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              JonathonJ Offline
              Jonathon
              Team Blue Admin Walton's Employee Power User
              wrote on last edited by Jonathon
              #12

              bocephus LOL awesome catch! This is why this “soft opening” was a good idea! PapaSop lol yeah there is that method of course! This isn’t designed to stop anyone from asking questions, more because I have become aware of a rather large and fairly consistent “lurking” crowd, people who read but don’t post. I wanted to get something out there that would help answer lots of questions in one area. kyle yeah…I don;t know how to solve for that. Maybe we will be able to make it look better when we finally get the new Ap up and running? zbigjeff good one, I will get it added. Cabelas90 Thanks for the confirmation I sometimes feel boring telling people that it was probably one of those 2 things so often but they are SO important! processhead thanks for the notes, I will get those added and adjusted as well.

              Also bocephus I responded earlier about waiting to print because this was just a test run and more will be added to it. Yes, printing it is fine if it is going to help someone! Also, we are finally going to have the Seasoning Breakdown Chart in this years retail catalog!

              I was going to leave this up 24 hours and then take down utr I might leave it up for the weekend as these are all really good notes.

              Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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              • JonathonJ Jonathon

                bocephus LOL awesome catch! This is why this “soft opening” was a good idea! PapaSop lol yeah there is that method of course! This isn’t designed to stop anyone from asking questions, more because I have become aware of a rather large and fairly consistent “lurking” crowd, people who read but don’t post. I wanted to get something out there that would help answer lots of questions in one area. kyle yeah…I don;t know how to solve for that. Maybe we will be able to make it look better when we finally get the new Ap up and running? zbigjeff good one, I will get it added. Cabelas90 Thanks for the confirmation I sometimes feel boring telling people that it was probably one of those 2 things so often but they are SO important! processhead thanks for the notes, I will get those added and adjusted as well.

                Also bocephus I responded earlier about waiting to print because this was just a test run and more will be added to it. Yes, printing it is fine if it is going to help someone! Also, we are finally going to have the Seasoning Breakdown Chart in this years retail catalog!

                I was going to leave this up 24 hours and then take down utr I might leave it up for the weekend as these are all really good notes.

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                ChefC Offline
                Chef
                Canning Dry Cured Sausage Primo Grills Team Blue Sous Vide Power User Cast Iron
                wrote on last edited by
                #13

                Jonathon As usual, great information. It is difficult to print and maintain the format, but as long as it is available on line, all is good.

                I almost see this falling into a flowchart. Starting at the top, looking at different issues with a yes or no answer. That format would be great for beginners.

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                • JonathonJ Jonathon

                  bocephus LOL awesome catch! This is why this “soft opening” was a good idea! PapaSop lol yeah there is that method of course! This isn’t designed to stop anyone from asking questions, more because I have become aware of a rather large and fairly consistent “lurking” crowd, people who read but don’t post. I wanted to get something out there that would help answer lots of questions in one area. kyle yeah…I don;t know how to solve for that. Maybe we will be able to make it look better when we finally get the new Ap up and running? zbigjeff good one, I will get it added. Cabelas90 Thanks for the confirmation I sometimes feel boring telling people that it was probably one of those 2 things so often but they are SO important! processhead thanks for the notes, I will get those added and adjusted as well.

                  Also bocephus I responded earlier about waiting to print because this was just a test run and more will be added to it. Yes, printing it is fine if it is going to help someone! Also, we are finally going to have the Seasoning Breakdown Chart in this years retail catalog!

                  I was going to leave this up 24 hours and then take down utr I might leave it up for the weekend as these are all really good notes.

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                  Denny OD Offline
                  Denny O
                  Power User Cast Iron Canning Green Mountain Grill
                  wrote on last edited by Denny O
                  #14

                  Jonathon First and foremost, nice job and forward thinking !
                  I got a couple of things for your consideration:

                  Under Stuffing is going slowly, also too large of a diameter stuffing canister to push too small of a tube diameter for snack sticks.

                  And other one is to mix your seasonings thoroughly in the water to be added to the mixer makes for a more even distribution of the seasonings.

                  Denny O’s-Smokey Bones
                  I’d rather be sit’in in a boat and thinking about God,
                  Than sit’n in church and thinking about fish’in!

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                  • JonathonJ Jonathon

                    Meatgistics Trouble Shooting Document

                    This document is to serve as a quick reference guide for people who have a specific issue and are looking for fixes and ways to avoid this on future projects.

                    Issue
                    Product
                    Casing
                    Cause
                    Fix

                    Dry Crumbly Sausage





                    Cured Sausage





                    Natural/Collagen





                    1.Low Fat Content
                    2. Denatured Protein
                    3. Fat rendered out during cooking process


                    1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                    2. Do not add acidic ingredients
                    3. Achieve protein extraction and use binder






                    Dry Crumbly Sausage

                    Fresh Sausage

                    Natural/Collagen

                    1.Low Fat Content
                    2. Denatured Protein
                    1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                    2. Do not add acidic ingredients

                    Casing Not Sticking












                    Summer Sausage












                    Fibrous/Inedible Collagen












                    1.Casings not properly prepared
                    2. Put in cooler too quickly
                    3. Not enough protein extraction










                    1.Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                    2. Summer Sausage must be left out to air dry for at least an hour after they are taking out of the ice bath to allow them to dry, otherwise moisture will build up
                    3. When mixing you need to achieve the proper level of protein extraction or the fat will render out and become stuck between the casing and the meat.

                    Casings Not Peeling











                    Cured Sausage











                    Fibrous/Inedible Collagen











                    1.Casing not properly prepared
                    2. Product was not cooled down properly










                    1. Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                    2. Once you have reached an internal temp of 160° you must either plunge the sausage into an ice bath for 20 minutes or shower it with cold water for 20 minutes on and off every minute with a fan blowing. This helps "set" the casing

                    Too Salty




                    Bacon




                    No casing




                    1.Too Much Cure Was injected
                    2. Product was not adequatley rinsed



                    1. Measure carefully with an accurate scale and inject
                    2. Rinse off the bacon with running water for 20 minutes instead of sitting in a meat lug of water.

                    Split Casing Cooking/Stuffing












                    Sausage













                    Natural/Collagen













                    1.Casings were stuffed too tightly
                    2. Casings were twisted too much
                    3. Casings are old 4.Cooked at too high an initial temperature










                    1.Leave casings slightly under stuffed, you can always tighten them up with a few extra twists
                    2.If casings are full to bursting twist as little as possible
                    3. Depending on how they were stored and how old they are casings might have become dry and brittle. You can try leaving them uncovered in a refrigerator overnight to slightly rehydrate them.
                    4. Start sausage at a lower temp so the meat and water do not expand as rapidly.



                    Seasoning Clumping







                    Seasoning







                    NA







                    1.Seasoning Improperly stored
                    2. Exposed to moisture
                    3. Seasoning Old





                    1.You can put seasoning in the microwave to help loosen it but it must then be used quickly or it will harden back up
                    2. Store in cool dry place, or vacuum seal for long term storage
                    3. Discard and replace




                    Meat won't get "sticky"


















                    Cured Sausage


















                    Any


















                    1.Meat has not been mixed enough
                    2. Proteins have been denatured
                    3. Meat is too warm
















                    1.Mixing by hand will require a long time to achieve proper protein extraction. If you are using a machine mixer you will still have to mix for about 8 minutes
                    2.Something has happened to the proteins of your meat to denature them. It could be that they were exposed to an acidic environment or were previously exposed to too much heat but once they have been denatured you will not be able to get protein extraction.
                    3. Protein extraction will not work once the meat has gotten over a certain temperature, it is somewhere around 50° F. Unless you can quickly get the meat back under 40° the meat should be discarded





                    Casings Blowing Out While Stuffing












                    Sausage













                    Natural/Collagen













                    1.Casings are stuffed too tightly
                    2. Casings are either old or were not cared for properly
                    3. The casings are being twisted too much









                    1.Stuff casings are less full. For collagen this means until you can barely see the swirl pattern running down the casing, for natural casings leave casing under stuffed and tighten up when forming links.
                    2.Check casings before use, if they are dry or brittle discard casings.
                    3. Do not make as many twists on each link. With natural casings 2-3 twists is enough, for collagen the twist won't hold anyway, so just twists until links are separated.




                    Meat is Grey








                    Sausage








                    NA








                    1.Cure was not added.
                    2. Cure was not activated.
                    3. Hasn't gone through thermal processing yet





                    1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                    2.Cure was not left in the meat long enough and no cure accelerator was used.
                    3. When mixing cured sausage the meat will turn a brownish grey, it will not become the classic pink until it has gone through thermal processing.


                    Texture of Sausage is loose













                    Sausage














                    NA














                    1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                    2.Incorrect grinding size.
                    3. Proteins were denatured before cooking.
                    4. Meat was too lean.










                    1.Mix until the meat is sticky and tacky. You want it to stretch before breaking..
                    2.Fresh sausage should have some larger texture to it. For cured sausage it should be smooth with very little particles.
                    3. Do not add anything that can denature the meats, such as acid, while mixing meat. Make sure the meat you are using is in good condition.
                    4.Do not use meat less than 15% fat but if you do then use a binder like sure gel or carrot binder. Also, consider adding cold phosphate to increase the pH of the meat.

                    Stuffing is going slowly














                    Sausage














                    NA














                    1.Meat does not have enough fat/water.
                    2.Meat is too warm.
                    3. Trying to use too small stuffing tube/casing.











                    1.When mixing in seasoning and additives add additional water
                    2.Put meat in freezer before stuffing to bring down the temp and make the fat less sticky..
                    3. Increase the size of stuffing tube and casing.









                    .

                    Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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                    bocephus
                    Team Orange Power User Canning Masterbuilt Veteran
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #15

                    Jonathon Split Casing (#3 Solution) Leave casing uncovered in fridge (Should this be uncovered in a bowl of water in fridge)?

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                    • YooperDogY Offline
                      YooperDogY Offline
                      YooperDog
                      Team Orange Masterbuilt Big Green Egg Dry Cured Sausage Sous Vide Canning Power User
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #16

                      Jonathon this a pretty good product. Quick easy to use, a lot of good input from above, will take a bit of tweaking and then a solid product.

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                      • JonathonJ Offline
                        JonathonJ Offline
                        Jonathon
                        Team Blue Admin Walton's Employee Power User
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #17

                        OKay, thank you to everyone who gave their input. I am going to take it down, for now, then we will make some changes and launch it in a while with links to it from the header and from waltonsinc.com Thanks again guys!

                        Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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                          OKay, thank you to everyone who gave their input. I am going to take it down, for now, then we will make some changes and launch it in a while with links to it from the header and from waltonsinc.com Thanks again guys!

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                          No, no Jonathon, THANK YOU!

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                            Jonathan,definitely thank you for all your work on it, I think it will help a lot of people.

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                              I’m just really impressed with how much the Walton’s team interacts with the customer and not only seeks out their input to make their store better, but actually tries their suggestions.

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                                Excellent Jonathon
                                Let’s all just give him a big hand!

                                Denny O’s-Smokey Bones
                                I’d rather be sit’in in a boat and thinking about God,
                                Than sit’n in church and thinking about fish’in!

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                                  Meatgistics Trouble Shooting Document

                                  This document is to serve as a quick reference guide for people who have a specific issue and are looking for fixes and ways to avoid this on future projects.

                                  Issue
                                  Product
                                  Casing
                                  Cause
                                  Fix

                                  Dry Crumbly Sausage





                                  Cured Sausage





                                  Natural/Collagen





                                  1.Low Fat Content
                                  2. Denatured Protein
                                  3. Fat rendered out during cooking process


                                  1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                                  2. Do not add acidic ingredients
                                  3. Achieve protein extraction and use binder






                                  Dry Crumbly Sausage

                                  Fresh Sausage

                                  Natural/Collagen

                                  1.Low Fat Content
                                  2. Denatured Protein
                                  1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                                  2. Do not add acidic ingredients

                                  Casing Not Sticking












                                  Summer Sausage












                                  Fibrous/Inedible Collagen












                                  1.Casings not properly prepared
                                  2. Put in cooler too quickly
                                  3. Not enough protein extraction










                                  1.Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                                  2. Summer Sausage must be left out to air dry for at least an hour after they are taking out of the ice bath to allow them to dry, otherwise moisture will build up
                                  3. When mixing you need to achieve the proper level of protein extraction or the fat will render out and become stuck between the casing and the meat.

                                  Casings Not Peeling











                                  Cured Sausage











                                  Fibrous/Inedible Collagen











                                  1.Casing not properly prepared
                                  2. Product was not cooled down properly










                                  1. Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                                  2. Once you have reached an internal temp of 160° you must either plunge the sausage into an ice bath for 20 minutes or shower it with cold water for 20 minutes on and off every minute with a fan blowing. This helps "set" the casing

                                  Too Salty




                                  Bacon




                                  No casing




                                  1.Too Much Cure Was injected
                                  2. Product was not adequatley rinsed



                                  1. Measure carefully with an accurate scale and inject
                                  2. Rinse off the bacon with running water for 20 minutes instead of sitting in a meat lug of water.

                                  Split Casing Cooking/Stuffing












                                  Sausage













                                  Natural/Collagen













                                  1.Casings were stuffed too tightly
                                  2. Casings were twisted too much
                                  3. Casings are old 4.Cooked at too high an initial temperature










                                  1.Leave casings slightly under stuffed, you can always tighten them up with a few extra twists
                                  2.If casings are full to bursting twist as little as possible
                                  3. Depending on how they were stored and how old they are casings might have become dry and brittle. You can try leaving them uncovered in a refrigerator overnight to slightly rehydrate them.
                                  4. Start sausage at a lower temp so the meat and water do not expand as rapidly.



                                  Seasoning Clumping







                                  Seasoning







                                  NA







                                  1.Seasoning Improperly stored
                                  2. Exposed to moisture
                                  3. Seasoning Old





                                  1.You can put seasoning in the microwave to help loosen it but it must then be used quickly or it will harden back up
                                  2. Store in cool dry place, or vacuum seal for long term storage
                                  3. Discard and replace




                                  Meat won't get "sticky"


















                                  Cured Sausage


















                                  Any


















                                  1.Meat has not been mixed enough
                                  2. Proteins have been denatured
                                  3. Meat is too warm
















                                  1.Mixing by hand will require a long time to achieve proper protein extraction. If you are using a machine mixer you will still have to mix for about 8 minutes
                                  2.Something has happened to the proteins of your meat to denature them. It could be that they were exposed to an acidic environment or were previously exposed to too much heat but once they have been denatured you will not be able to get protein extraction.
                                  3. Protein extraction will not work once the meat has gotten over a certain temperature, it is somewhere around 50° F. Unless you can quickly get the meat back under 40° the meat should be discarded





                                  Casings Blowing Out While Stuffing












                                  Sausage













                                  Natural/Collagen













                                  1.Casings are stuffed too tightly
                                  2. Casings are either old or were not cared for properly
                                  3. The casings are being twisted too much









                                  1.Stuff casings are less full. For collagen this means until you can barely see the swirl pattern running down the casing, for natural casings leave casing under stuffed and tighten up when forming links.
                                  2.Check casings before use, if they are dry or brittle discard casings.
                                  3. Do not make as many twists on each link. With natural casings 2-3 twists is enough, for collagen the twist won't hold anyway, so just twists until links are separated.




                                  Meat is Grey








                                  Sausage








                                  NA








                                  1.Cure was not added.
                                  2. Cure was not activated.
                                  3. Hasn't gone through thermal processing yet





                                  1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                                  2.Cure was not left in the meat long enough and no cure accelerator was used.
                                  3. When mixing cured sausage the meat will turn a brownish grey, it will not become the classic pink until it has gone through thermal processing.


                                  Texture of Sausage is loose













                                  Sausage














                                  NA














                                  1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                                  2.Incorrect grinding size.
                                  3. Proteins were denatured before cooking.
                                  4. Meat was too lean.










                                  1.Mix until the meat is sticky and tacky. You want it to stretch before breaking..
                                  2.Fresh sausage should have some larger texture to it. For cured sausage it should be smooth with very little particles.
                                  3. Do not add anything that can denature the meats, such as acid, while mixing meat. Make sure the meat you are using is in good condition.
                                  4.Do not use meat less than 15% fat but if you do then use a binder like sure gel or carrot binder. Also, consider adding cold phosphate to increase the pH of the meat.

                                  Stuffing is going slowly














                                  Sausage














                                  NA














                                  1.Meat does not have enough fat/water.
                                  2.Meat is too warm.
                                  3. Trying to use too small stuffing tube/casing.











                                  1.When mixing in seasoning and additives add additional water
                                  2.Put meat in freezer before stuffing to bring down the temp and make the fat less sticky..
                                  3. Increase the size of stuffing tube and casing.









                                  .

                                  Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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                                  #22

                                  Jonathon
                                  Giving You A Realy Big Hand.jpg

                                  Denny O’s-Smokey Bones
                                  I’d rather be sit’in in a boat and thinking about God,
                                  Than sit’n in church and thinking about fish’in!

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                                    Jonathon
                                    Giving You A Realy Big Hand.jpg

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                                    #23

                                    @dennyo that’s funny

                                    hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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                                      Jonathon
                                      Giving You A Realy Big Hand.jpg

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                                      @dennyo I had to unroll a bunch of sheets off the paper towel roll to catch the drips from all that sarcasm regarding “THE HAND”. LMAO. You guys are what I needed today. Thanks!!!

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                                        Jonathon
                                        Giving You A Realy Big Hand.jpg

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                                        #25

                                        @dennyo 🤣

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                                          #26

                                          Well chefs, when you got paws larger than Grizzly bears like I have and I can’t do much more than that to give an “At A Boy” shout out that means anything more.

                                          Denny O’s-Smokey Bones
                                          I’d rather be sit’in in a boat and thinking about God,
                                          Than sit’n in church and thinking about fish’in!

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