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    Jonathon
    Team Blue Admin Walton's Employee Power User
    wrote on last edited by
    #3

    Power-User Regular-Contributors Any thoughts on this.

    Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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      bocephus
      Team Orange Power User Canning Masterbuilt Veteran
      wrote on last edited by bocephus
      #4

      Jonathon Awesome chart Jonathan, thinking of printing and laminating and giving to a friend for reference, he is just starting out. Helped him with elk summer sausage the last couple of days and I think he was pretty nervous about it until we took it off the smoker and got it out of the ice bath and tried a piece. You should have seen the smile on his face then. (If printing out is ok with you)

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        RON PARRISH
        Regular Contributors Cast Iron Canning Team Orange Veteran Power User
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        #5

        Jonathon very useful !

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        • JonathonJ Jonathon

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          processhead
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          #6

          Jonathon said in Temporary Troubleshoooting:

          Power-User Regular-Contributors Any thoughts on this.

          I think a troubleshooting chart has real value. Could be one of those “Look here first” items for posters with questions.

          A couple of comments.
          Under causes for Dry Crumbly Sausage you listed fat rendering as a cause, but failed to list keeping internal temperature below 160 degrees as a fix.

          When you consider the number of problem batches that can be traced to too high processing temps, this should be a point that is emphasized.

          On the salty bacon row, you may want to add cause and fix language that applies to Equalization Curing method in addition to the stitch pumping method.

          Also dry crumbly sausage and texture too loose are categories that kind of overlap. You may want to add some more descriptive detail of the problem to differentiate the categories or else combine them.

          Paul

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          • JonathonJ Jonathon

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            Cabelas90
            Team Blue
            wrote on last edited by
            #7

            Jonathon This is Good! 99% of the issues we have seen over tens of thousands of lbs of cured sausage Protein Extraction is #1 with Meat Temp #2. No two batches are the same. You have to learn to get the feel for proper protein extraction!

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            • JonathonJ Jonathon

              Meatgistics Trouble Shooting Document

              This document is to serve as a quick reference guide for people who have a specific issue and are looking for fixes and ways to avoid this on future projects.

              Issue
              Product
              Casing
              Cause
              Fix

              Dry Crumbly Sausage





              Cured Sausage





              Natural/Collagen





              1.Low Fat Content
              2. Denatured Protein
              3. Fat rendered out during cooking process


              1.70/30 Lean to Fat
              2. Do not add acidic ingredients
              3. Achieve protein extraction and use binder






              Dry Crumbly Sausage

              Fresh Sausage

              Natural/Collagen

              1.Low Fat Content
              2. Denatured Protein
              1.70/30 Lean to Fat
              2. Do not add acidic ingredients

              Casing Not Sticking












              Summer Sausage












              Fibrous/Inedible Collagen












              1.Casings not properly prepared
              2. Put in cooler too quickly
              3. Not enough protein extraction










              1.Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
              2. Summer Sausage must be left out to air dry for at least an hour after they are taking out of the ice bath to allow them to dry, otherwise moisture will build up
              3. When mixing you need to achieve the proper level of protein extraction or the fat will render out and become stuck between the casing and the meat.

              Casings Not Peeling











              Cured Sausage











              Fibrous/Inedible Collagen











              1.Casing not properly prepared
              2. Product was not cooled down properly










              1. Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
              2. Once you have reached an internal temp of 160° you must either plunge the sausage into an ice bath for 20 minutes or shower it with cold water for 20 minutes on and off every minute with a fan blowing. This helps "set" the casing

              Too Salty




              Bacon




              No casing




              1.Too Much Cure Was injected
              2. Product was not adequatley rinsed



              1. Measure carefully with an accurate scale and inject
              2. Rinse off the bacon with running water for 20 minutes instead of sitting in a meat lug of water.

              Split Casing Cooking/Stuffing












              Sausage













              Natural/Collagen













              1.Casings were stuffed too tightly
              2. Casings were twisted too much
              3. Casings are old 4.Cooked at too high an initial temperature










              1.Leave casings slightly under stuffed, you can always tighten them up with a few extra twists
              2.If casings are full to bursting twist as little as possible
              3. Depending on how they were stored and how old they are casings might have become dry and brittle. You can try leaving them uncovered in a refrigerator overnight to slightly rehydrate them.
              4. Start sausage at a lower temp so the meat and water do not expand as rapidly.



              Seasoning Clumping







              Seasoning







              NA







              1.Seasoning Improperly stored
              2. Exposed to moisture
              3. Seasoning Old





              1.You can put seasoning in the microwave to help loosen it but it must then be used quickly or it will harden back up
              2. Store in cool dry place, or vacuum seal for long term storage
              3. Discard and replace




              Meat won't get "sticky"


















              Cured Sausage


















              Any


















              1.Meat has not been mixed enough
              2. Proteins have been denatured
              3. Meat is too warm
















              1.Mixing by hand will require a long time to achieve proper protein extraction. If you are using a machine mixer you will still have to mix for about 8 minutes
              2.Something has happened to the proteins of your meat to denature them. It could be that they were exposed to an acidic environment or were previously exposed to too much heat but once they have been denatured you will not be able to get protein extraction.
              3. Protein extraction will not work once the meat has gotten over a certain temperature, it is somewhere around 50° F. Unless you can quickly get the meat back under 40° the meat should be discarded





              Casings Blowing Out While Stuffing












              Sausage













              Natural/Collagen













              1.Casings are stuffed too tightly
              2. Casings are either old or were not cared for properly
              3. The casings are being twisted too much









              1.Stuff casings are less full. For collagen this means until you can barely see the swirl pattern running down the casing, for natural casings leave casing under stuffed and tighten up when forming links.
              2.Check casings before use, if they are dry or brittle discard casings.
              3. Do not make as many twists on each link. With natural casings 2-3 twists is enough, for collagen the twist won't hold anyway, so just twists until links are separated.




              Meat is Grey








              Sausage








              NA








              1.Cure was not added.
              2. Cure was not activated.
              3. Hasn't gone through thermal processing yet





              1.Add cure when mixing meat.
              2.Cure was not left in the meat long enough and no cure accelerator was used.
              3. When mixing cured sausage the meat will turn a brownish grey, it will not become the classic pink until it has gone through thermal processing.


              Texture of Sausage is loose













              Sausage














              NA














              1.Add cure when mixing meat.
              2.Incorrect grinding size.
              3. Proteins were denatured before cooking.
              4. Meat was too lean.










              1.Mix until the meat is sticky and tacky. You want it to stretch before breaking..
              2.Fresh sausage should have some larger texture to it. For cured sausage it should be smooth with very little particles.
              3. Do not add anything that can denature the meats, such as acid, while mixing meat. Make sure the meat you are using is in good condition.
              4.Do not use meat less than 15% fat but if you do then use a binder like sure gel or carrot binder. Also, consider adding cold phosphate to increase the pH of the meat.

              Stuffing is going slowly














              Sausage














              NA














              1.Meat does not have enough fat/water.
              2.Meat is too warm.
              3. Trying to use too small stuffing tube/casing.











              1.When mixing in seasoning and additives add additional water
              2.Put meat in freezer before stuffing to bring down the temp and make the fat less sticky..
              3. Increase the size of stuffing tube and casing.









              .

              Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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              zbigjeff
              Sous Vide Team Blue Power User Regular Contributors Cast Iron
              wrote on last edited by
              #8

              Jonathon When adding liquid, is it best to mix with seasonings or just adding the liquid by itself after. Be it water, beer, wine, vinegar,etc. This is not a discussion to be responded here. It’s an expansion of the topics portion above.

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              • JonathonJ Jonathon

                Power-User Regular-Contributors Any thoughts on this.

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                kyle
                Regular Contributors Veteran Canning Team Blue Power User Sous Vide
                wrote on last edited by
                #9

                Jonathon It looked good once I looked at it on my laptop, hard to understand looking on a phone, but I know there is nothing you can do about that. Maybe could point that out at the top, or it could just be me. Also if someone is new to sausage making, a little glossary of some of the lingo might be helpful (thermal processing, protein extraction, denatured protein). I do like it, and I too am going to print it out for a couple buddies who are just getting into making sausage.

                hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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                • JonathonJ Jonathon

                  Meatgistics Trouble Shooting Document

                  This document is to serve as a quick reference guide for people who have a specific issue and are looking for fixes and ways to avoid this on future projects.

                  Issue
                  Product
                  Casing
                  Cause
                  Fix

                  Dry Crumbly Sausage





                  Cured Sausage





                  Natural/Collagen





                  1.Low Fat Content
                  2. Denatured Protein
                  3. Fat rendered out during cooking process


                  1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                  2. Do not add acidic ingredients
                  3. Achieve protein extraction and use binder






                  Dry Crumbly Sausage

                  Fresh Sausage

                  Natural/Collagen

                  1.Low Fat Content
                  2. Denatured Protein
                  1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                  2. Do not add acidic ingredients

                  Casing Not Sticking












                  Summer Sausage












                  Fibrous/Inedible Collagen












                  1.Casings not properly prepared
                  2. Put in cooler too quickly
                  3. Not enough protein extraction










                  1.Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                  2. Summer Sausage must be left out to air dry for at least an hour after they are taking out of the ice bath to allow them to dry, otherwise moisture will build up
                  3. When mixing you need to achieve the proper level of protein extraction or the fat will render out and become stuck between the casing and the meat.

                  Casings Not Peeling











                  Cured Sausage











                  Fibrous/Inedible Collagen











                  1.Casing not properly prepared
                  2. Product was not cooled down properly










                  1. Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                  2. Once you have reached an internal temp of 160° you must either plunge the sausage into an ice bath for 20 minutes or shower it with cold water for 20 minutes on and off every minute with a fan blowing. This helps "set" the casing

                  Too Salty




                  Bacon




                  No casing




                  1.Too Much Cure Was injected
                  2. Product was not adequatley rinsed



                  1. Measure carefully with an accurate scale and inject
                  2. Rinse off the bacon with running water for 20 minutes instead of sitting in a meat lug of water.

                  Split Casing Cooking/Stuffing












                  Sausage













                  Natural/Collagen













                  1.Casings were stuffed too tightly
                  2. Casings were twisted too much
                  3. Casings are old 4.Cooked at too high an initial temperature










                  1.Leave casings slightly under stuffed, you can always tighten them up with a few extra twists
                  2.If casings are full to bursting twist as little as possible
                  3. Depending on how they were stored and how old they are casings might have become dry and brittle. You can try leaving them uncovered in a refrigerator overnight to slightly rehydrate them.
                  4. Start sausage at a lower temp so the meat and water do not expand as rapidly.



                  Seasoning Clumping







                  Seasoning







                  NA







                  1.Seasoning Improperly stored
                  2. Exposed to moisture
                  3. Seasoning Old





                  1.You can put seasoning in the microwave to help loosen it but it must then be used quickly or it will harden back up
                  2. Store in cool dry place, or vacuum seal for long term storage
                  3. Discard and replace




                  Meat won't get "sticky"


















                  Cured Sausage


















                  Any


















                  1.Meat has not been mixed enough
                  2. Proteins have been denatured
                  3. Meat is too warm
















                  1.Mixing by hand will require a long time to achieve proper protein extraction. If you are using a machine mixer you will still have to mix for about 8 minutes
                  2.Something has happened to the proteins of your meat to denature them. It could be that they were exposed to an acidic environment or were previously exposed to too much heat but once they have been denatured you will not be able to get protein extraction.
                  3. Protein extraction will not work once the meat has gotten over a certain temperature, it is somewhere around 50° F. Unless you can quickly get the meat back under 40° the meat should be discarded





                  Casings Blowing Out While Stuffing












                  Sausage













                  Natural/Collagen













                  1.Casings are stuffed too tightly
                  2. Casings are either old or were not cared for properly
                  3. The casings are being twisted too much









                  1.Stuff casings are less full. For collagen this means until you can barely see the swirl pattern running down the casing, for natural casings leave casing under stuffed and tighten up when forming links.
                  2.Check casings before use, if they are dry or brittle discard casings.
                  3. Do not make as many twists on each link. With natural casings 2-3 twists is enough, for collagen the twist won't hold anyway, so just twists until links are separated.




                  Meat is Grey








                  Sausage








                  NA








                  1.Cure was not added.
                  2. Cure was not activated.
                  3. Hasn't gone through thermal processing yet





                  1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                  2.Cure was not left in the meat long enough and no cure accelerator was used.
                  3. When mixing cured sausage the meat will turn a brownish grey, it will not become the classic pink until it has gone through thermal processing.


                  Texture of Sausage is loose













                  Sausage














                  NA














                  1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                  2.Incorrect grinding size.
                  3. Proteins were denatured before cooking.
                  4. Meat was too lean.










                  1.Mix until the meat is sticky and tacky. You want it to stretch before breaking..
                  2.Fresh sausage should have some larger texture to it. For cured sausage it should be smooth with very little particles.
                  3. Do not add anything that can denature the meats, such as acid, while mixing meat. Make sure the meat you are using is in good condition.
                  4.Do not use meat less than 15% fat but if you do then use a binder like sure gel or carrot binder. Also, consider adding cold phosphate to increase the pH of the meat.

                  Stuffing is going slowly














                  Sausage














                  NA














                  1.Meat does not have enough fat/water.
                  2.Meat is too warm.
                  3. Trying to use too small stuffing tube/casing.











                  1.When mixing in seasoning and additives add additional water
                  2.Put meat in freezer before stuffing to bring down the temp and make the fat less sticky..
                  3. Increase the size of stuffing tube and casing.









                  .

                  Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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                  bocephus
                  Team Orange Power User Canning Masterbuilt Veteran
                  wrote on last edited by bocephus
                  #10

                  Jonathon Are the casings not sticking and casings not peeling turned around? Shouldn’t not peeling be with summer sausage?

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                  • JonathonJ Jonathon

                    Power-User Regular-Contributors Any thoughts on this.

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                    PapaSop
                    Team Orange Power User Veteran
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #11

                    Jonathon
                    Way to much to read through. I’ll just post a question to you. LOL
                    Really though, this should help people.

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                      Jonathon
                      Team Blue Admin Walton's Employee Power User
                      wrote on last edited by Jonathon
                      #12

                      bocephus LOL awesome catch! This is why this “soft opening” was a good idea! PapaSop lol yeah there is that method of course! This isn’t designed to stop anyone from asking questions, more because I have become aware of a rather large and fairly consistent “lurking” crowd, people who read but don’t post. I wanted to get something out there that would help answer lots of questions in one area. kyle yeah…I don;t know how to solve for that. Maybe we will be able to make it look better when we finally get the new Ap up and running? zbigjeff good one, I will get it added. Cabelas90 Thanks for the confirmation I sometimes feel boring telling people that it was probably one of those 2 things so often but they are SO important! processhead thanks for the notes, I will get those added and adjusted as well.

                      Also bocephus I responded earlier about waiting to print because this was just a test run and more will be added to it. Yes, printing it is fine if it is going to help someone! Also, we are finally going to have the Seasoning Breakdown Chart in this years retail catalog!

                      I was going to leave this up 24 hours and then take down utr I might leave it up for the weekend as these are all really good notes.

                      Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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                      • JonathonJ Jonathon

                        bocephus LOL awesome catch! This is why this “soft opening” was a good idea! PapaSop lol yeah there is that method of course! This isn’t designed to stop anyone from asking questions, more because I have become aware of a rather large and fairly consistent “lurking” crowd, people who read but don’t post. I wanted to get something out there that would help answer lots of questions in one area. kyle yeah…I don;t know how to solve for that. Maybe we will be able to make it look better when we finally get the new Ap up and running? zbigjeff good one, I will get it added. Cabelas90 Thanks for the confirmation I sometimes feel boring telling people that it was probably one of those 2 things so often but they are SO important! processhead thanks for the notes, I will get those added and adjusted as well.

                        Also bocephus I responded earlier about waiting to print because this was just a test run and more will be added to it. Yes, printing it is fine if it is going to help someone! Also, we are finally going to have the Seasoning Breakdown Chart in this years retail catalog!

                        I was going to leave this up 24 hours and then take down utr I might leave it up for the weekend as these are all really good notes.

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                        Chef
                        Canning Dry Cured Sausage Primo Grills Team Blue Sous Vide Power User Cast Iron
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #13

                        Jonathon As usual, great information. It is difficult to print and maintain the format, but as long as it is available on line, all is good.

                        I almost see this falling into a flowchart. Starting at the top, looking at different issues with a yes or no answer. That format would be great for beginners.

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                        • JonathonJ Jonathon

                          bocephus LOL awesome catch! This is why this “soft opening” was a good idea! PapaSop lol yeah there is that method of course! This isn’t designed to stop anyone from asking questions, more because I have become aware of a rather large and fairly consistent “lurking” crowd, people who read but don’t post. I wanted to get something out there that would help answer lots of questions in one area. kyle yeah…I don;t know how to solve for that. Maybe we will be able to make it look better when we finally get the new Ap up and running? zbigjeff good one, I will get it added. Cabelas90 Thanks for the confirmation I sometimes feel boring telling people that it was probably one of those 2 things so often but they are SO important! processhead thanks for the notes, I will get those added and adjusted as well.

                          Also bocephus I responded earlier about waiting to print because this was just a test run and more will be added to it. Yes, printing it is fine if it is going to help someone! Also, we are finally going to have the Seasoning Breakdown Chart in this years retail catalog!

                          I was going to leave this up 24 hours and then take down utr I might leave it up for the weekend as these are all really good notes.

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                          Denny O
                          Power User Cast Iron Canning Green Mountain Grill
                          wrote on last edited by Denny O
                          #14

                          Jonathon First and foremost, nice job and forward thinking !
                          I got a couple of things for your consideration:

                          Under Stuffing is going slowly, also too large of a diameter stuffing canister to push too small of a tube diameter for snack sticks.

                          And other one is to mix your seasonings thoroughly in the water to be added to the mixer makes for a more even distribution of the seasonings.

                          Denny O’s-Smokey Bones
                          I’d rather be sit’in in a boat and thinking about God,
                          Than sit’n in church and thinking about fish’in!

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                          • JonathonJ Jonathon

                            Meatgistics Trouble Shooting Document

                            This document is to serve as a quick reference guide for people who have a specific issue and are looking for fixes and ways to avoid this on future projects.

                            Issue
                            Product
                            Casing
                            Cause
                            Fix

                            Dry Crumbly Sausage





                            Cured Sausage





                            Natural/Collagen





                            1.Low Fat Content
                            2. Denatured Protein
                            3. Fat rendered out during cooking process


                            1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                            2. Do not add acidic ingredients
                            3. Achieve protein extraction and use binder






                            Dry Crumbly Sausage

                            Fresh Sausage

                            Natural/Collagen

                            1.Low Fat Content
                            2. Denatured Protein
                            1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                            2. Do not add acidic ingredients

                            Casing Not Sticking












                            Summer Sausage












                            Fibrous/Inedible Collagen












                            1.Casings not properly prepared
                            2. Put in cooler too quickly
                            3. Not enough protein extraction










                            1.Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                            2. Summer Sausage must be left out to air dry for at least an hour after they are taking out of the ice bath to allow them to dry, otherwise moisture will build up
                            3. When mixing you need to achieve the proper level of protein extraction or the fat will render out and become stuck between the casing and the meat.

                            Casings Not Peeling











                            Cured Sausage











                            Fibrous/Inedible Collagen











                            1.Casing not properly prepared
                            2. Product was not cooled down properly










                            1. Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                            2. Once you have reached an internal temp of 160° you must either plunge the sausage into an ice bath for 20 minutes or shower it with cold water for 20 minutes on and off every minute with a fan blowing. This helps "set" the casing

                            Too Salty




                            Bacon




                            No casing




                            1.Too Much Cure Was injected
                            2. Product was not adequatley rinsed



                            1. Measure carefully with an accurate scale and inject
                            2. Rinse off the bacon with running water for 20 minutes instead of sitting in a meat lug of water.

                            Split Casing Cooking/Stuffing












                            Sausage













                            Natural/Collagen













                            1.Casings were stuffed too tightly
                            2. Casings were twisted too much
                            3. Casings are old 4.Cooked at too high an initial temperature










                            1.Leave casings slightly under stuffed, you can always tighten them up with a few extra twists
                            2.If casings are full to bursting twist as little as possible
                            3. Depending on how they were stored and how old they are casings might have become dry and brittle. You can try leaving them uncovered in a refrigerator overnight to slightly rehydrate them.
                            4. Start sausage at a lower temp so the meat and water do not expand as rapidly.



                            Seasoning Clumping







                            Seasoning







                            NA







                            1.Seasoning Improperly stored
                            2. Exposed to moisture
                            3. Seasoning Old





                            1.You can put seasoning in the microwave to help loosen it but it must then be used quickly or it will harden back up
                            2. Store in cool dry place, or vacuum seal for long term storage
                            3. Discard and replace




                            Meat won't get "sticky"


















                            Cured Sausage


















                            Any


















                            1.Meat has not been mixed enough
                            2. Proteins have been denatured
                            3. Meat is too warm
















                            1.Mixing by hand will require a long time to achieve proper protein extraction. If you are using a machine mixer you will still have to mix for about 8 minutes
                            2.Something has happened to the proteins of your meat to denature them. It could be that they were exposed to an acidic environment or were previously exposed to too much heat but once they have been denatured you will not be able to get protein extraction.
                            3. Protein extraction will not work once the meat has gotten over a certain temperature, it is somewhere around 50° F. Unless you can quickly get the meat back under 40° the meat should be discarded





                            Casings Blowing Out While Stuffing












                            Sausage













                            Natural/Collagen













                            1.Casings are stuffed too tightly
                            2. Casings are either old or were not cared for properly
                            3. The casings are being twisted too much









                            1.Stuff casings are less full. For collagen this means until you can barely see the swirl pattern running down the casing, for natural casings leave casing under stuffed and tighten up when forming links.
                            2.Check casings before use, if they are dry or brittle discard casings.
                            3. Do not make as many twists on each link. With natural casings 2-3 twists is enough, for collagen the twist won't hold anyway, so just twists until links are separated.




                            Meat is Grey








                            Sausage








                            NA








                            1.Cure was not added.
                            2. Cure was not activated.
                            3. Hasn't gone through thermal processing yet





                            1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                            2.Cure was not left in the meat long enough and no cure accelerator was used.
                            3. When mixing cured sausage the meat will turn a brownish grey, it will not become the classic pink until it has gone through thermal processing.


                            Texture of Sausage is loose













                            Sausage














                            NA














                            1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                            2.Incorrect grinding size.
                            3. Proteins were denatured before cooking.
                            4. Meat was too lean.










                            1.Mix until the meat is sticky and tacky. You want it to stretch before breaking..
                            2.Fresh sausage should have some larger texture to it. For cured sausage it should be smooth with very little particles.
                            3. Do not add anything that can denature the meats, such as acid, while mixing meat. Make sure the meat you are using is in good condition.
                            4.Do not use meat less than 15% fat but if you do then use a binder like sure gel or carrot binder. Also, consider adding cold phosphate to increase the pH of the meat.

                            Stuffing is going slowly














                            Sausage














                            NA














                            1.Meat does not have enough fat/water.
                            2.Meat is too warm.
                            3. Trying to use too small stuffing tube/casing.











                            1.When mixing in seasoning and additives add additional water
                            2.Put meat in freezer before stuffing to bring down the temp and make the fat less sticky..
                            3. Increase the size of stuffing tube and casing.









                            .

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                            bocephus
                            Team Orange Power User Canning Masterbuilt Veteran
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                            Jonathon Split Casing (#3 Solution) Leave casing uncovered in fridge (Should this be uncovered in a bowl of water in fridge)?

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                              Jonathon this a pretty good product. Quick easy to use, a lot of good input from above, will take a bit of tweaking and then a solid product.

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                                OKay, thank you to everyone who gave their input. I am going to take it down, for now, then we will make some changes and launch it in a while with links to it from the header and from waltonsinc.com Thanks again guys!

                                Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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                                • JonathonJ Jonathon

                                  OKay, thank you to everyone who gave their input. I am going to take it down, for now, then we will make some changes and launch it in a while with links to it from the header and from waltonsinc.com Thanks again guys!

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                                  No, no Jonathon, THANK YOU!

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                                    Team Orange Power User Canning Masterbuilt Veteran
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                                    #19

                                    Jonathan,definitely thank you for all your work on it, I think it will help a lot of people.

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                                      #20

                                      I’m just really impressed with how much the Walton’s team interacts with the customer and not only seeks out their input to make their store better, but actually tries their suggestions.

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                                        Power User Cast Iron Canning Green Mountain Grill
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                                        #21

                                        Excellent Jonathon
                                        Let’s all just give him a big hand!

                                        Denny O’s-Smokey Bones
                                        I’d rather be sit’in in a boat and thinking about God,
                                        Than sit’n in church and thinking about fish’in!

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                                          Meatgistics Trouble Shooting Document

                                          This document is to serve as a quick reference guide for people who have a specific issue and are looking for fixes and ways to avoid this on future projects.

                                          Issue
                                          Product
                                          Casing
                                          Cause
                                          Fix

                                          Dry Crumbly Sausage





                                          Cured Sausage





                                          Natural/Collagen





                                          1.Low Fat Content
                                          2. Denatured Protein
                                          3. Fat rendered out during cooking process


                                          1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                                          2. Do not add acidic ingredients
                                          3. Achieve protein extraction and use binder






                                          Dry Crumbly Sausage

                                          Fresh Sausage

                                          Natural/Collagen

                                          1.Low Fat Content
                                          2. Denatured Protein
                                          1.70/30 Lean to Fat
                                          2. Do not add acidic ingredients

                                          Casing Not Sticking












                                          Summer Sausage












                                          Fibrous/Inedible Collagen












                                          1.Casings not properly prepared
                                          2. Put in cooler too quickly
                                          3. Not enough protein extraction










                                          1.Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                                          2. Summer Sausage must be left out to air dry for at least an hour after they are taking out of the ice bath to allow them to dry, otherwise moisture will build up
                                          3. When mixing you need to achieve the proper level of protein extraction or the fat will render out and become stuck between the casing and the meat.

                                          Casings Not Peeling











                                          Cured Sausage











                                          Fibrous/Inedible Collagen











                                          1.Casing not properly prepared
                                          2. Product was not cooled down properly










                                          1. Fibrous Casings must be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water before being used / Inedible Collagen casings must be soaked in 15° C 15% salt solution for 15 minutes
                                          2. Once you have reached an internal temp of 160° you must either plunge the sausage into an ice bath for 20 minutes or shower it with cold water for 20 minutes on and off every minute with a fan blowing. This helps "set" the casing

                                          Too Salty




                                          Bacon




                                          No casing




                                          1.Too Much Cure Was injected
                                          2. Product was not adequatley rinsed



                                          1. Measure carefully with an accurate scale and inject
                                          2. Rinse off the bacon with running water for 20 minutes instead of sitting in a meat lug of water.

                                          Split Casing Cooking/Stuffing












                                          Sausage













                                          Natural/Collagen













                                          1.Casings were stuffed too tightly
                                          2. Casings were twisted too much
                                          3. Casings are old 4.Cooked at too high an initial temperature










                                          1.Leave casings slightly under stuffed, you can always tighten them up with a few extra twists
                                          2.If casings are full to bursting twist as little as possible
                                          3. Depending on how they were stored and how old they are casings might have become dry and brittle. You can try leaving them uncovered in a refrigerator overnight to slightly rehydrate them.
                                          4. Start sausage at a lower temp so the meat and water do not expand as rapidly.



                                          Seasoning Clumping







                                          Seasoning







                                          NA







                                          1.Seasoning Improperly stored
                                          2. Exposed to moisture
                                          3. Seasoning Old





                                          1.You can put seasoning in the microwave to help loosen it but it must then be used quickly or it will harden back up
                                          2. Store in cool dry place, or vacuum seal for long term storage
                                          3. Discard and replace




                                          Meat won't get "sticky"


















                                          Cured Sausage


















                                          Any


















                                          1.Meat has not been mixed enough
                                          2. Proteins have been denatured
                                          3. Meat is too warm
















                                          1.Mixing by hand will require a long time to achieve proper protein extraction. If you are using a machine mixer you will still have to mix for about 8 minutes
                                          2.Something has happened to the proteins of your meat to denature them. It could be that they were exposed to an acidic environment or were previously exposed to too much heat but once they have been denatured you will not be able to get protein extraction.
                                          3. Protein extraction will not work once the meat has gotten over a certain temperature, it is somewhere around 50° F. Unless you can quickly get the meat back under 40° the meat should be discarded





                                          Casings Blowing Out While Stuffing












                                          Sausage













                                          Natural/Collagen













                                          1.Casings are stuffed too tightly
                                          2. Casings are either old or were not cared for properly
                                          3. The casings are being twisted too much









                                          1.Stuff casings are less full. For collagen this means until you can barely see the swirl pattern running down the casing, for natural casings leave casing under stuffed and tighten up when forming links.
                                          2.Check casings before use, if they are dry or brittle discard casings.
                                          3. Do not make as many twists on each link. With natural casings 2-3 twists is enough, for collagen the twist won't hold anyway, so just twists until links are separated.




                                          Meat is Grey








                                          Sausage








                                          NA








                                          1.Cure was not added.
                                          2. Cure was not activated.
                                          3. Hasn't gone through thermal processing yet





                                          1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                                          2.Cure was not left in the meat long enough and no cure accelerator was used.
                                          3. When mixing cured sausage the meat will turn a brownish grey, it will not become the classic pink until it has gone through thermal processing.


                                          Texture of Sausage is loose













                                          Sausage














                                          NA














                                          1.Add cure when mixing meat.
                                          2.Incorrect grinding size.
                                          3. Proteins were denatured before cooking.
                                          4. Meat was too lean.










                                          1.Mix until the meat is sticky and tacky. You want it to stretch before breaking..
                                          2.Fresh sausage should have some larger texture to it. For cured sausage it should be smooth with very little particles.
                                          3. Do not add anything that can denature the meats, such as acid, while mixing meat. Make sure the meat you are using is in good condition.
                                          4.Do not use meat less than 15% fat but if you do then use a binder like sure gel or carrot binder. Also, consider adding cold phosphate to increase the pH of the meat.

                                          Stuffing is going slowly














                                          Sausage














                                          NA














                                          1.Meat does not have enough fat/water.
                                          2.Meat is too warm.
                                          3. Trying to use too small stuffing tube/casing.











                                          1.When mixing in seasoning and additives add additional water
                                          2.Put meat in freezer before stuffing to bring down the temp and make the fat less sticky..
                                          3. Increase the size of stuffing tube and casing.









                                          .

                                          Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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                                          Denny O
                                          Power User Cast Iron Canning Green Mountain Grill
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                                          #22

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