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Another Rookie Question on Smoked Sausage

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    lkrfletcher
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    Are you really close to the heat source?

    Life is a Garden - Dig it.

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      mikesr
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      Not really, 2/3 of the way to the top of the smoker cabinet. 24" or so above the heater element.

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        When you say “fresh” sausage casings, are your referring to natural casings or new fibrous or collagen casings?

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          I posted a while back about tough natural skins on smoked sausage. Thank you for your much needed advice that I have put into practice. I purchased an Auber temperature controller (a great product) to more precisely control temperature and employed Jonathan’s smoke schedule:
          125 - 1 hour
          140 - 1hour
          155 - 1 hour
          175 to 160 degrees internal
          The sausage has a fantastic flavor, but skins are still leathery to the point of being unchewable. I pretty much follow the procedures shown in the Meatgistics recipes and videos. I rinse and soak the fresh casings overnight before stuffing. I humidify the smoker cabinet with a water pan. This last batch, I soaked them in an ice bath after they reached the proper internal temperature. That helped a little, but not nearly enough. The skins are still inedible. FYI, we do enjoy a snap, but these don’t snap, they tear. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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          mikesr I never smoke my sausage that hot.
          Because I always cook it some way before I eat it.
          I make allot of kielbasa, and I hang overnight in cooler. Then smoke for 10 hrs and never let smoker get over 125* I start slow and it usually takes about 2 hrs to get to my maintain temp.
          Rarely is casings tougher than a light snap.
          Once in a while I get tough casing but attribute it to bad casings

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          • M MT Elk Hunter

            When you say “fresh” sausage casings, are your referring to natural casings or new fibrous or collagen casings?

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            mikesr
            Yearling
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            MT Elk Hunter - I’m using natural hog casings.

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              mikesr I never smoke my sausage that hot.
              Because I always cook it some way before I eat it.
              I make allot of kielbasa, and I hang overnight in cooler. Then smoke for 10 hrs and never let smoker get over 125* I start slow and it usually takes about 2 hrs to get to my maintain temp.
              Rarely is casings tougher than a light snap.
              Once in a while I get tough casing but attribute it to bad casings

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              mikesr
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              unclelar1 - I’ve not heard of smoking the sausage at such a sustained low temp - I think you would call that cold smoking the sausage. Do you then grill or otherwise cook the sausage to 160 degrees?

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                Yes, it is cooked before eating.
                Simmered in kraut w/ potatoes, or with pierogies.
                Or grilled.

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                  Yes, it is cooked before eating.
                  Simmered in kraut w/ potatoes, or with pierogies.
                  Or grilled.

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                  mikesr
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                  unclelar1 - Thanks. Are you able to freeze/thaw/cook and get the same results? Do you use cure? Natural casings?

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                    MT Elk Hunter - I’m using natural hog casings.

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                    mikesr how many hours does it take to reach your desired internal temp? Are you running of water and experiencing a stall?

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                    • M MT Elk Hunter

                      mikesr how many hours does it take to reach your desired internal temp? Are you running of water and experiencing a stall?

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                      MT Elk Hunter - Starting from refrigerator temp, I’d say 4 - 5 hours.

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                      • M MT Elk Hunter

                        mikesr how many hours does it take to reach your desired internal temp? Are you running of water and experiencing a stall?

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                        MT Elk Hunter - Not running out of water, and I don’t think I’m experiencing a stall such as I have with a pork shoulder or brisket. Thanks Elk Hunter.

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                          unclelar1 - Thanks. Are you able to freeze/thaw/cook and get the same results? Do you use cure? Natural casings?

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                          mikesr Yes , I vacuum seal and feeze.
                          It always taste better fresh but you dont lose much in the freezer, especially with the vac seal.I use all natural hog casing. and I use the proper ratio of pink cure on all my smoked sausage and jerky
                          my kielbasa is the only smoked sausage I smoke at a lower temp.
                          my sticks and salami etc. I always smoke til proper internal of finish in my slow cook oven till proper temp.

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                            mikesr Yes , I vacuum seal and feeze.
                            It always taste better fresh but you dont lose much in the freezer, especially with the vac seal.I use all natural hog casing. and I use the proper ratio of pink cure on all my smoked sausage and jerky
                            my kielbasa is the only smoked sausage I smoke at a lower temp.
                            my sticks and salami etc. I always smoke til proper internal of finish in my slow cook oven till proper temp.

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                            Yearling
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                            unclelar1 - Thanks Unclelar1. I may give that a try. Your process is very different from anything I’ve tried. I’d love to get rid of that tough casing.

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                              mikesr I never smoke my sausage that hot.
                              Because I always cook it some way before I eat it.
                              I make allot of kielbasa, and I hang overnight in cooler. Then smoke for 10 hrs and never let smoker get over 125* I start slow and it usually takes about 2 hrs to get to my maintain temp.
                              Rarely is casings tougher than a light snap.
                              Once in a while I get tough casing but attribute it to bad casings

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                              Canning Dry Cured Sausage Primo Grills Team Blue Sous Vide Power User Cast Iron
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                              unclelar1 That is how I do a smoked sausage when I do large barbecues. I fully cook it prior to serving. Always a very light snap at best. Very tender.

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                                unclelar1 That is how I do a smoked sausage when I do large barbecues. I fully cook it prior to serving. Always a very light snap at best. Very tender.

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                                Chef - Thanks. I will try it.

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                                  I posted a while back about tough natural skins on smoked sausage. Thank you for your much needed advice that I have put into practice. I purchased an Auber temperature controller (a great product) to more precisely control temperature and employed Jonathan’s smoke schedule:
                                  125 - 1 hour
                                  140 - 1hour
                                  155 - 1 hour
                                  175 to 160 degrees internal
                                  The sausage has a fantastic flavor, but skins are still leathery to the point of being unchewable. I pretty much follow the procedures shown in the Meatgistics recipes and videos. I rinse and soak the fresh casings overnight before stuffing. I humidify the smoker cabinet with a water pan. This last batch, I soaked them in an ice bath after they reached the proper internal temperature. That helped a little, but not nearly enough. The skins are still inedible. FYI, we do enjoy a snap, but these don’t snap, they tear. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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                                  Yearling
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                                  mikesr Try holding your sausage overnight in a tub of Tupperware with a lid in a room that is slightly chilled. The condensation from the residual heat off the sausage will soften the skins.

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                                    mikesr Try holding your sausage overnight in a tub of Tupperware with a lid in a room that is slightly chilled. The condensation from the residual heat off the sausage will soften the skins.

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                                    Riley Renwick - Thanks Riley. Is that pre or post-smoking?

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                                      Would collagen casings produce a more tender bite out of the smoker?

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                                        Post smoking

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                                          Would collagen casings produce a more tender bite out of the smoker?

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                                          mikesr Natural casings have a better snap when bitten.

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