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Is cold phosphates and sure gel the same thing?

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    Jonathon
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    Not that I have ever noticed at the recommended usage levels and I have used them together…a lot! Too much phosphates apparently can cause a soapy taste and as I do it with chicken if that was going to happen by using them at the same time I am sure it would have come through. I am however going to ask our application specialist what he thinks!

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    • JonathonJ Jonathon

      Not that I have ever noticed at the recommended usage levels and I have used them together…a lot! Too much phosphates apparently can cause a soapy taste and as I do it with chicken if that was going to happen by using them at the same time I am sure it would have come through. I am however going to ask our application specialist what he thinks!

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      Jonathon Have you done any side by side test to see if you really gaining anything with both added? Only Reason i ask Is if one gets the job done why add both!

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        Cabelas90 I spoke with our application specialist and he says he wouldn’t add them both. I did both of them when I was making chicken sausage…maybe a side by side comparison is needed, I could always make some more chicken sausage.

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        • JonathonJ Jonathon

          Cabelas90 I spoke with our application specialist and he says he wouldn’t add them both. I did both of them when I was making chicken sausage…maybe a side by side comparison is needed, I could always make some more chicken sausage.

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          Jonathon I think you should do it! Id even come help test! Really need to do 4. A control, sure gel, sure gel & Cold phos, just cold phos. Surely you need more to do!

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            Cabelas90 I’ve been looking for chicken high and low and can’t find any anywhere! I might do it out of pork if I want 4 different batches as it looks like pork butts are already fully back in stock pretty much everywhere around here.

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            • JonathonJ Jonathon

              Cabelas90 I’ve been looking for chicken high and low and can’t find any anywhere! I might do it out of pork if I want 4 different batches as it looks like pork butts are already fully back in stock pretty much everywhere around here.

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              Jonathon We sold nearly 400 lbs of chicken out of the shop in less than 48 hours…that is a significant number for a shop our size.

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                Cabelas90 I’ve been looking for chicken high and low and can’t find any anywhere! I might do it out of pork if I want 4 different batches as it looks like pork butts are already fully back in stock pretty much everywhere around here.

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                Jonathon We have been Getting Chicken ok. I know it got really scarce for about a week but i think we are past that. I think that would be a better test anyway since pork really shouldn’t need much help!

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                • JonathonJ Jonathon

                  Cabelas90 I spoke with our application specialist and he says he wouldn’t add them both. I did both of them when I was making chicken sausage…maybe a side by side comparison is needed, I could always make some more chicken sausage.

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                  Jonathon said in Is cold phosphates and sure gel the same thing?:

                  Cabelas90 I spoke with our application specialist and he says he wouldn’t add them both. I did both of them when I was making chicken sausage…maybe a side by side comparison is needed, I could always make some more chicken sausage.

                  in this recipe https://meatgistics.waltonsinc.com/topic/203/how-to-make-homemade-smoked-ham-recipe, in the ham injection both cold phosphate and sure gel are in the recipe. has that changed? should i not include the sure gel? Thanks

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                    winter I am going to make some changes to that to make it clear that sure gel is an optional ingredient but when I have used it in conjunction with cold phosphate I have never run into an issue. So, my recommendation would be to go with it, worked well for me!

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                      Made my first fresh ham for Easter following the directions in that video. At over 25lbs it turned out great. Very moist and cured through out. I think I would do differently on a ham that large would be to bone it out and net it for easier handling and smoking. Plus slicing would be easier.

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                        I did two 20# hams over the weekend, both are excellent! followed the recipe i posted above. I used all the additives listed. including sure gel Thanks

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