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  • ND MikeN ND Mike

    lkrfletcher my new to me Smokin Tex 1400 just conked out too. I’m going to order a new element and thermostat. I was going to do this anyways but now I will have too. At least my sticks got to 135 before it crapped out and I was able to finish them in the roaster oven.

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    lkrfletcher
    Sous Vide Canning PK100 Team Blue Power User Regular Contributors Veteran
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    ND Mike Bummer - I think I can fix mine up. I mean the thing is bomb proof besides a few small devices. Stainless Steel inside and out. I just have to find the time when I return.

    Life is a Garden - Dig it.

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    • lkrfletcherL lkrfletcher

      ND Mike Bummer - I think I can fix mine up. I mean the thing is bomb proof besides a few small devices. Stainless Steel inside and out. I just have to find the time when I return.

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      ND Mike
      Big Green Egg Team Blue Regular Contributors Cast Iron Power User
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      lkrfletcher same with the Smokin Tex. There controller and element have not changed in over 20 some years.

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      • lkrfletcherL lkrfletcher

        ND Mike Bummer - I think I can fix mine up. I mean the thing is bomb proof besides a few small devices. Stainless Steel inside and out. I just have to find the time when I return.

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        kyle
        Regular Contributors Veteran Canning Team Blue Power User Sous Vide
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        lkrfletcher I guess that’s one reason I like my smoker that’s built out of an old vending machine. Its wood fired, no computers, electronics, elements. Only time I run out of heat or smoke is when I fall asleep in my chair.

        hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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        • J John Belvedere

          lkrfletcher said in PK100 fail:

          So disappointed. My PK100 just stopped working today. It is older. But have never had an issue before this morning. Went right up to temp. Then shut off normally. Went back to temp once more then on shutdown. It would not heat up again. I just cleaned the sensor. So I have no idea. What an embarrassment having to finish my porkbutts in the oven with minimal smoke added. Guess I will shove it to the curb. I’m disappointed. I guess it is asking too much to just have things work the way they are supposed too.

          Just a safety reminder. If you uncomfortable or have no experience with a volt/ohm meter or working with electricity then please disregard the below advise.

          Before you do anything drastic there are 2 things you should check. Check your heating element for resistance. Make sure your smoker is unplugged before you even start . Disconnect all wires that are on the heater element. Using a volt/ohm meter measure the resistance of the heater element. The resistance of the element should be around 28-32 ohms. If it’s real high then you have an open. If it’s zero then it’s a shorted out. If the heating element checks out fine reconnect the heater element to any wires you removed. Then using the same volt/ohm meter that you used to measure the elements resistance measure the voltage on the heating element. You should see 120 volts when the controller is calling for the system to heat up and 0 volts when the system turns the heat off. If the controller is bad my advice would be to chuck the old controller out and replace it with a PID controller. The PK-100’s controller is digital but all that means is you can dial in a specific temperature. If you want 175 you dial in 175. What a digital controller does not prevent is temp swings. When you set the temp to be 175 the heat will turn off around 175 but since the heater element is still hot you temp climbs 10-15 degrees. The same when the controller calls for heat. The controller will only turn the element back on around 166-170. By the time the element heats up your temp may be 150-155. Eventually the temp swings will close the gap but they will still be there. This also depends on how much mass/food your smoker has in it. A PID controller keeps the temp of your smoker what you set it at. If you want 150 you get 150 with no temp swings. The only time you will have a slight temp swing is when the smoker 1st starts to heat up. You may see a 5-10 degree swing on the up side but once it drops back to your setting it will hold it there forever regardless of how much your smoker has in it.

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          processhead
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          John Belvedere said in PK100 fail:

          lkrfletcher said in PK100 fail:

          So disappointed. My PK100 just stopped working today. It is older. But have never had an issue before this morning. Went right up to temp. Then shut off normally. Went back to temp once more then on shutdown. It would not heat up again. I just cleaned the sensor. So I have no idea. What an embarrassment having to finish my porkbutts in the oven with minimal smoke added. Guess I will shove it to the curb. I’m disappointed. I guess it is asking too much to just have things work the way they are supposed too.

          Just a safety reminder. If you uncomfortable or have no experience with a volt/ohm meter or working with electricity then please disregard the below advise.

          Before you do anything drastic there are 2 things you should check. Check your heating element for resistance. Make sure your smoker is unplugged before you even start . Disconnect all wires that are on the heater element. Using a volt/ohm meter measure the resistance of the heater element. The resistance of the element should be around 28-32 ohms. If it’s real high then you have an open. If it’s zero then it’s a shorted out. If the heating element checks out fine reconnect the heater element to any wires you removed. Then using the same volt/ohm meter that you used to measure the elements resistance measure the voltage on the heating element. You should see 120 volts when the controller is calling for the system to heat up and 0 volts when the system turns the heat off. If the controller is bad my advice would be to chuck the old controller out and replace it with a PID controller. The PK-100’s controller is digital but all that means is you can dial in a specific temperature. If you want 175 you dial in 175. What a digital controller does not prevent is temp swings. When you set the temp to be 175 the heat will turn off around 175 but since the heater element is still hot you temp climbs 10-15 degrees. The same when the controller calls for heat. The controller will only turn the element back on around 166-170. By the time the element heats up your temp may be 150-155. Eventually the temp swings will close the gap but they will still be there. This also depends on how much mass/food your smoker has in it. A PID controller keeps the temp of your smoker what you set it at. If you want 150 you get 150 with no temp swings. The only time you will have a slight temp swing is when the smoker 1st starts to heat up. You may see a 5-10 degree swing on the up side but once it drops back to your setting it will hold it there forever regardless of how much your smoker has in it.

          I agree with John Belvedere on this. These smokers can be repaired or upgraded and would be well worth the time to learn how. Another option is to find someone local who can assist you. If I was closer I would give you some help with it,
          If you decide to repair it, customer service would be a good resource to contact to find out your next steps.

          Good luck on the elk hunt.

          Paul

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            lkrfletcher Yeah, I’d encourage you to fix it. Even if you don’t have time now, set it aside instead of throwing it out. We replaced a PK100 heating element in our service shop a year ago or so and while I didn’t do it, from what it looked like it wasn’t the hardest project in the world? https://www.waltonsinc.com/pk-100-heating-element available but you could check with them to see if they’d replace for free?

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            • JonathonJ Jonathon

              lkrfletcher Yeah, I’d encourage you to fix it. Even if you don’t have time now, set it aside instead of throwing it out. We replaced a PK100 heating element in our service shop a year ago or so and while I didn’t do it, from what it looked like it wasn’t the hardest project in the world? https://www.waltonsinc.com/pk-100-heating-element available but you could check with them to see if they’d replace for free?

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              lkrfletcher
              Sous Vide Canning PK100 Team Blue Power User Regular Contributors Veteran
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              #23

              Jonathon I have a part on the way, the tech at PS said it may be the thermal bulb, so I will replace that when I get back. It is a good place to start. I already did the element, but perhaps it is going haywire.

              Life is a Garden - Dig it.

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              • kyleK kyle

                lkrfletcher I guess that’s one reason I like my smoker that’s built out of an old vending machine. Its wood fired, no computers, electronics, elements. Only time I run out of heat or smoke is when I fall asleep in my chair.

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                ND Mike
                Big Green Egg Team Blue Regular Contributors Cast Iron Power User
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                kyle that is very true!

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                • kyleK kyle

                  lkrfletcher I guess that’s one reason I like my smoker that’s built out of an old vending machine. Its wood fired, no computers, electronics, elements. Only time I run out of heat or smoke is when I fall asleep in my chair.

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                  twilliams
                  Power User PK100 Regular Contributors Team Grey
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                  kyle true but with your stick burner your limited on what you can do. As well as the temperature swings are more erratic and lack of proper air flow for certain products.

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                  • twilliamsT twilliams

                    kyle true but with your stick burner your limited on what you can do. As well as the temperature swings are more erratic and lack of proper air flow for certain products.

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                    kyle
                    Regular Contributors Veteran Canning Team Blue Power User Sous Vide
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                    #26

                    twilliams I guess I have never found anything I cant do. All types of sausage, pork belly bacon, fish, pork butts, briskets and turkeys have all been done in it. True its not a “set it and forget it” like new electric smokers, but to me thats part of the fun.

                    hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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                    • kyleK kyle

                      twilliams I guess I have never found anything I cant do. All types of sausage, pork belly bacon, fish, pork butts, briskets and turkeys have all been done in it. True its not a “set it and forget it” like new electric smokers, but to me thats part of the fun.

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                      Team Blue Big Green Egg Masterbuilt Canning Kamado Joes Regular Contributors Power User
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                      kyle I like your style 😎 👌.

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                        Power User Canning Team Orange Regular Contributors Veteran Masterbuilt
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                        if the old timers did it with wood fires in smoke houses we should be able to

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                        • kyleK kyle

                          lkrfletcher I guess that’s one reason I like my smoker that’s built out of an old vending machine. Its wood fired, no computers, electronics, elements. Only time I run out of heat or smoke is when I fall asleep in my chair.

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                          bocephus
                          Team Orange Power User Canning Masterbuilt Veteran
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                          kyle My hunting party still use our old block house smoker for our sausage, it was built by our fathers, will hold 500 rings of sausage.

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                          • B bocephus

                            kyle My hunting party still use our old block house smoker for our sausage, it was built by our fathers, will hold 500 rings of sausage.

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                            that is a keeper

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                            • B bocephus

                              kyle My hunting party still use our old block house smoker for our sausage, it was built by our fathers, will hold 500 rings of sausage.

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                              bocephus heck yeah

                              “You never really die until you end up on the wall at a Cracker Barrel”

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                                kyle My hunting party still use our old block house smoker for our sausage, it was built by our fathers, will hold 500 rings of sausage.

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                                kyle
                                Regular Contributors Veteran Canning Team Blue Power User Sous Vide
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                                bocephus maybe Jonathon can give us a group like WOOD FIRED or something. I’m sure Jonesy would be interested. I do have a propane smoker, but my off set barrel and my “vending machine” smoker get the most use, both fired with north Wisconsin oak and maple

                                hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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