Self-Reliance: How do you?
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Beleive it or not I am new to the gun/home defense world. Quick story on my background, grew up in a town in Upstate New York that was on the verge of being hoidy toidy (have never typed that before!) so guns were not part of my upbringing. I had one friend who became a cop that LOVED guns so he took me shooting shotguns, hand guns and an AK-style rifle a few times. I loved it but I also know myself, I can’t have something without playing with it and I didn’t have land or anything to go shooting on so I never got one. Moved to Texas, huge change in culture, went dove, turkey and some pheasant hunting more comfortable with guns but again, didn’t “pull the trigger”. Move all around and finally end up in Kansas, everyone here was hunting all the time, I was busy building my house and then doing projects on it for any free time.
Finally get the chance to go sporting clay shooting at https://www.flintoak.com/ and bought an Over-Under. Then Covid hits, immediately bought an 9mm handgun, single stack cause my wife has small hands and it has continued, that is all I will say!
Jonathon We need to introduce more folks to the shooting sports. I understand many will not want to go and hunt, but I am amazed how ignorant many are about firearms in general. Walking around with preconceived ideas of what they are and capabilities because of misinformation and totally incorrect information. So, we need to be there to help them with hands on and learning opportunities. Off my soapbox.
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Beleive it or not I am new to the gun/home defense world. Quick story on my background, grew up in a town in Upstate New York that was on the verge of being hoidy toidy (have never typed that before!) so guns were not part of my upbringing. I had one friend who became a cop that LOVED guns so he took me shooting shotguns, hand guns and an AK-style rifle a few times. I loved it but I also know myself, I can’t have something without playing with it and I didn’t have land or anything to go shooting on so I never got one. Moved to Texas, huge change in culture, went dove, turkey and some pheasant hunting more comfortable with guns but again, didn’t “pull the trigger”. Move all around and finally end up in Kansas, everyone here was hunting all the time, I was busy building my house and then doing projects on it for any free time.
Finally get the chance to go sporting clay shooting at https://www.flintoak.com/ and bought an Over-Under. Then Covid hits, immediately bought an 9mm handgun, single stack cause my wife has small hands and it has continued, that is all I will say!
Jonathon I have taken many people new to guns and introduced them to shooting, both men and women. When women want to go I bring my wife along so they are comfortable. Some loved it and others didn’t. Make sure your wife feels comfortable shooting the pistol, only way is to get out and shoot. Also you might want to get a 22 pistol for plinking just to get comfortable shooting a pistol, used to be a lot cheaper and I have found that women find it easier when starting out, less noise and recoil. Just my two pennies worth!
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Jonathon Man, you shot Flint Oaks for your first clay-shoot! That’s a heck of a place. I shot sporting clays, trap and skeet in college. Went to nationals on a couple occasions outside of San Antonio. Flint Oaks is a crazy nice facility! I can relate to the not having a place to shoot, that one thing that has kept me from buying a long-range rifle. I’ve got some short range targets set up at my place now, can at least plink and check zero’s at 100 yrds. Shooting has gotten very expensive and ammo is still hard to come by, much harder than it should be. I didn’t dove hunt this year because of how difficult 12 gauge shells are to find.
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Jonathon We need to introduce more folks to the shooting sports. I understand many will not want to go and hunt, but I am amazed how ignorant many are about firearms in general. Walking around with preconceived ideas of what they are and capabilities because of misinformation and totally incorrect information. So, we need to be there to help them with hands on and learning opportunities. Off my soapbox.
YooperDog said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
Jonathon We need to introduce more folks to the shooting sports. I understand many will not want to go and hunt, but I am amazed how ignorant many are about firearms in general. Walking around with preconceived ideas of what they are and capabilities because of misinformation and totally incorrect information. So, we need to be there to help them with hands on and learning opportunities. Off my soapbox.
Amen Bro. I get that hunting might not be for everyone for any number of reasons.
But going to a shooting range is a great way for a new shooter to get exposure to the best side of firearm ownership and shooting. The good shooting ranges preach and live a culture of firearm safety and responsible gun ownership and gun slobs are generally not tolerated.
Informal and competitive target shooting is a fantastic individual sport and allows a new shooter to grow as much in the sport as he or she wants. -
Jonathon We need to introduce more folks to the shooting sports. I understand many will not want to go and hunt, but I am amazed how ignorant many are about firearms in general. Walking around with preconceived ideas of what they are and capabilities because of misinformation and totally incorrect information. So, we need to be there to help them with hands on and learning opportunities. Off my soapbox.
YooperDog “but I am amazed how ignorant many are about firearms in general.”
Growing up I thought everyone shot some type of firearm whether hunting, protection, or just for fun. I quickly realized in basic training that many had never touched a firearm, it amazed me then and still continues to amaze me.
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When you consider the number of firearms in this country, I think society in general would benefit from even the non-shooting public being trained in the fundamentals of gun safety.
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YooperDog said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
Jonathon We need to introduce more folks to the shooting sports. I understand many will not want to go and hunt, but I am amazed how ignorant many are about firearms in general. Walking around with preconceived ideas of what they are and capabilities because of misinformation and totally incorrect information. So, we need to be there to help them with hands on and learning opportunities. Off my soapbox.
Amen Bro. I get that hunting might not be for everyone for any number of reasons.
But going to a shooting range is a great way for a new shooter to get exposure to the best side of firearm ownership and shooting. The good shooting ranges preach and live a culture of firearm safety and responsible gun ownership and gun slobs are generally not tolerated.
Informal and competitive target shooting is a fantastic individual sport and allows a new shooter to grow as much in the sport as he or she wants.processhead It just about aught to be a requirement for hunting. How can you possibly understand your weapon & be familiar with it so that you can take the best shots possible in the field, without at least some practice on the range, if not extensive practice. All you could rely on otherwise is luck & me & luck have never got along too well apparently.
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Jonathon I have taken many people new to guns and introduced them to shooting, both men and women. When women want to go I bring my wife along so they are comfortable. Some loved it and others didn’t. Make sure your wife feels comfortable shooting the pistol, only way is to get out and shoot. Also you might want to get a 22 pistol for plinking just to get comfortable shooting a pistol, used to be a lot cheaper and I have found that women find it easier when starting out, less noise and recoil. Just my two pennies worth!
bocephus I have found the women are better at it with a little practice than we are. Excellent point on the .22 as well.
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processhead It just about aught to be a requirement for hunting. How can you possibly understand your weapon & be familiar with it so that you can take the best shots possible in the field, without at least some practice on the range, if not extensive practice. All you could rely on otherwise is luck & me & luck have never got along too well apparently.
calldoctoday said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
processhead It just about aught to be a requirement for hunting. How can you possibly understand your weapon & be familiar with it so that you can take the best shots possible in the field, without at least some practice on the range, if not extensive practice. All you could rely on otherwise is luck & me & luck have never got along too well apparently.
In Nebraska, and maybe elsewhere, you can’t get a hunting license unless you have had hunter education. There is an exemption for older adults, but at least it is getting the kids started out on the right foot.
Paul
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Jonathon I have taken many people new to guns and introduced them to shooting, both men and women. When women want to go I bring my wife along so they are comfortable. Some loved it and others didn’t. Make sure your wife feels comfortable shooting the pistol, only way is to get out and shoot. Also you might want to get a 22 pistol for plinking just to get comfortable shooting a pistol, used to be a lot cheaper and I have found that women find it easier when starting out, less noise and recoil. Just my two pennies worth!
bocephus said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
Jonathon Also you might want to get a 22 pistol for plinking just to get comfortable shooting a pistol, used to be a lot cheaper and I have found that women find it easier when starting out, less noise and recoil. Just my two pennies worth!
Learning to shoot a centerfire handgun accurately and well can be a challenge.
Starting out with a .22 handgun is a great way to learn proper technique without the distractions of recoil and report. -
@matt-westerhaus I very much understand and am heading there myself. Connections with other like minded people make things a bit easier
About 90 % finished an old farmhouse. Barn and warehouse complete.
In the process of installing all my commercial equipment. Now can make my own lump coal for reliable smoking and cooking. I now have fruit trees that are producing, so I can always make my pear and pecan pies.
On the bucket list is a well pump that can be used manually if needed. Need a few bee hives. Then converting a portion of the barn to chickens. Would love to have a few ducks, but that’s the chef in me.
I understand where the group is about privacy. I probably don’t worry about it enough. I have several large knifes, meat saw, manual and electric equipment. If anyone makes the poor choice of trying to collect things from my property, well, I’ll just turn them into sausage…
processhead Jonathon Tex_77 Seriously, living in a very small town may have me too trusting. What kind of vulnerabilities do we have with posting on a site such as Meatgistics?
Chef I have done it more than three times now, but apparently was not smart enough to stay put (had to try & make a living). Now doing a restoration this time around rather than a complete new build & I am way behind. Humiliated, but not sure where all my energy I used to have went (still trying to make a dollar). Looks like a chicken hawk or something got our best Dominicker rooster this morning sometime. Looks like he must have put up a heck of a fight. Send us photos when you get the ol house & barn restored. I am sure that will be amazing.
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calldoctoday said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
processhead It just about aught to be a requirement for hunting. How can you possibly understand your weapon & be familiar with it so that you can take the best shots possible in the field, without at least some practice on the range, if not extensive practice. All you could rely on otherwise is luck & me & luck have never got along too well apparently.
In Nebraska, and maybe elsewhere, you can’t get a hunting license unless you have had hunter education. There is an exemption for older adults, but at least it is getting the kids started out on the right foot.
processhead They have it here too. They even offer it in high school. I am exempt, but I would take it myself, first chance I can, as I know there is always something to learn there.
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calldoctoday said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
processhead It just about aught to be a requirement for hunting. How can you possibly understand your weapon & be familiar with it so that you can take the best shots possible in the field, without at least some practice on the range, if not extensive practice. All you could rely on otherwise is luck & me & luck have never got along too well apparently.
In Nebraska, and maybe elsewhere, you can’t get a hunting license unless you have had hunter education. There is an exemption for older adults, but at least it is getting the kids started out on the right foot.
processhead said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
calldoctoday said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
processhead It just about aught to be a requirement for hunting. How can you possibly understand your weapon & be familiar with it so that you can take the best shots possible in the field, without at least some practice on the range, if not extensive practice. All you could rely on otherwise is luck & me & luck have never got along too well apparently.
In Nebraska, and maybe elsewhere, you can’t get a hunting license unless you have had hunter education. There is an exemption for older adults, but at least it is getting the kids started out on the right foot.
I believe Wisconsin is the same unless there’s been a recent change. I went through it, my three sons have and so will the grandkids one day. Absolutely essential. Everyone should, even if you don’t hunt or are thinking about personal protection.
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processhead said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
calldoctoday said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
processhead It just about aught to be a requirement for hunting. How can you possibly understand your weapon & be familiar with it so that you can take the best shots possible in the field, without at least some practice on the range, if not extensive practice. All you could rely on otherwise is luck & me & luck have never got along too well apparently.
In Nebraska, and maybe elsewhere, you can’t get a hunting license unless you have had hunter education. There is an exemption for older adults, but at least it is getting the kids started out on the right foot.
I believe Wisconsin is the same unless there’s been a recent change. I went through it, my three sons have and so will the grandkids one day. Absolutely essential. Everyone should, even if you don’t hunt or are thinking about personal protection.
PapaSop kids under 12 can hunt with a mentor as long as only one gun is in your possession. Once you hit 12 years old, you have to have hunters ed. Thought behind it was to get kids hooked on hunting before the commitment of taking a class.
hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!
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PapaSop kids under 12 can hunt with a mentor as long as only one gun is in your possession. Once you hit 12 years old, you have to have hunters ed. Thought behind it was to get kids hooked on hunting before the commitment of taking a class.
kyle said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
PapaSop kids under 12 can hunt with a mentor as long as only one gun is in your possession. Once you hit 12 years old, you have to have hunters ed. Thought behind it was to get kids hooked on hunting before the commitment of taking a class.
Same here. Really a good idea to have them out with a responsible adult anyway when just starting out.
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bocephus I have found the women are better at it with a little practice than we are. Excellent point on the .22 as well.
calldoctoday seeing many shooters in my military career I completely agree that women are better marksmen when trained as a whole in a range environment, but unfortunately their weakness becomes very apparent in the fast target acquisition and kill shots of close quarters combat.
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calldoctoday seeing many shooters in my military career I completely agree that women are better marksmen when trained as a whole in a range environment, but unfortunately their weakness becomes very apparent in the fast target acquisition and kill shots of close quarters combat.
mrobisr said in Self-Reliance: How do you?:
calldoctoday seeing many shooters in my military career I completely agree that women are better marksmen when trained as a whole in a range environment, but unfortunately their weakness becomes very apparent in the fast target acquisition and kill shots of close quarters combat.
Any theories on your observations of CQC
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Jonathon Man, you shot Flint Oaks for your first clay-shoot! That’s a heck of a place. I shot sporting clays, trap and skeet in college. Went to nationals on a couple occasions outside of San Antonio. Flint Oaks is a crazy nice facility! I can relate to the not having a place to shoot, that one thing that has kept me from buying a long-range rifle. I’ve got some short range targets set up at my place now, can at least plink and check zero’s at 100 yrds. Shooting has gotten very expensive and ammo is still hard to come by, much harder than it should be. I didn’t dove hunt this year because of how difficult 12 gauge shells are to find.
RafterW Did you ever shoot the Grand when it was held in Dayton/Vandalia Ohio?
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Ridley Acres Agree with you there. It was interesting to watch the bees. The crazy cost of the bees as they became trendy to do is nuts. Our hives would take a beating every year. The late winter storms and cold, wet springs would do in at least half of our hives that made it through the winter. Finally gave it up after 10+ years, maybe will re-attack after a break.
YooperDog Ridley Acres keeping that balance is huge. We were lucky enough to meet a gent who is 80 years old, a retired electrical engineer and been a bee keeper for most of his life. Here is the kicker, he raises the bees to keep the local bee genetics intact in hopes of keeping the bee population healthier. He is posterboy of the term “bee whisperer”. My oldest son travels across the state helping him with the hive maintenance on his hives, which is about 70 hives throughout the state. He is the person who taught us how to trap local hives. Both of our current hives were trapped and I plan on never buying a package again. Its great that there are people like him more interested in the bees, than pulling honey. I have to admit, I’m in it for the honey and the pollination on my property, but meeting this guy definitely gave me a different view on how I manage our hives. The honey isn’t my priority anymore. Beekeeping can definitely “bee” frustrating at times. A friend and coworker got me started keeping bees. In reference to swarming and the overall experience, he warned me early on by saying “at the end of the day, they are insects and will do what they want”.
I have attached a link for a YouTube video from the Ohio State Bee Keeper’s Association of our mentor and friend Dwight.
https://youtu.be/z97joaP6TTo“You never really die until you end up on the wall at a Cracker Barrel”
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YooperDog Ridley Acres keeping that balance is huge. We were lucky enough to meet a gent who is 80 years old, a retired electrical engineer and been a bee keeper for most of his life. Here is the kicker, he raises the bees to keep the local bee genetics intact in hopes of keeping the bee population healthier. He is posterboy of the term “bee whisperer”. My oldest son travels across the state helping him with the hive maintenance on his hives, which is about 70 hives throughout the state. He is the person who taught us how to trap local hives. Both of our current hives were trapped and I plan on never buying a package again. Its great that there are people like him more interested in the bees, than pulling honey. I have to admit, I’m in it for the honey and the pollination on my property, but meeting this guy definitely gave me a different view on how I manage our hives. The honey isn’t my priority anymore. Beekeeping can definitely “bee” frustrating at times. A friend and coworker got me started keeping bees. In reference to swarming and the overall experience, he warned me early on by saying “at the end of the day, they are insects and will do what they want”.
I have attached a link for a YouTube video from the Ohio State Bee Keeper’s Association of our mentor and friend Dwight.
https://youtu.be/z97joaP6TToGWG8541 Agree. We did it for the same, honey, pollination and trying to keep the population viable in the area. The cost of buying nuc’s, and such started getting crazy and we started trapping. My wife has gotten some health issues which made things difficult. We had some great mentors and still remain in contact and may some day re-attack. We did the same and paid it forward with a family who wanted to get started with bee keeping and they are having a blast., Lots of questions and enjoying their new hobby. The crazy thing is that we have more honey bees now than we have ever seen, don’t know where they are coming from, but glad to see them.
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