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  • kyleK kyle

    Interesting podcast. One thing I would like to know more about is MSG. I know there are a lot of opinions on it, but I would like to try it. How much do you add to 25 pounds of meat, can you add it to a steak before you grill it, how do they add it in chinese food. MSG reminds me of the family member that everyone knows is around, but just don’t want to talk about it

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    kyle You want to be careful with MSG, it’s is made from Papaya which also contains Bromelain and will denature proteins. It will eat casings if not careful. I learned that lesson from pineapple that has not been processed. Bromelain become inactivated after between 140-150 degrees, that is why they can use it just before you grill.

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      kyle You want to be careful with MSG, it’s is made from Papaya which also contains Bromelain and will denature proteins. It will eat casings if not careful. I learned that lesson from pineapple that has not been processed. Bromelain become inactivated after between 140-150 degrees, that is why they can use it just before you grill.

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      johnsbrewhouse said in Meatgistics Podcast: Casings and Additives:

      kyle You want to be careful with MSG, it’s is made from Papaya which also contains Bromelain and will denature proteins. It will eat casings if not careful. I learned that lesson from pineapple that has not been processed. Bromelain become inactivated after between 140-150 degrees, that is why they can use it just before you grill.

      I don’t think Papaya is the source of MSG now. The link shows the current process for making MSG.

      https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/questions-and-answers-monosodium-glutamate-msg#:~:text=How is it made%3F,such as tomatoes and cheeses.&text=Today%2C instead of extracting and,make yogurt%2C vinegar and wine.

      Paul

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        Jonathon mentioned “caul fat” during the podcast.
        Anyone who has field dressed a deer or slaughtered hogs will recognize caul fat as the thin membrane around the intestinal tract. If you have ever seen it you would remember the appearance. Like a thin, lace, fatty membrane.

        I have never done it, but if you have caul fat, you can wrap it around roasts or other lean cuts to add moisture while cooking. Similar to larding or barding.

        On a “Meat Eater” episode, Steve shows how he harvests caul fat from a deer or some other big game animal and uses it to prepare a cut of meat for the table.

        http://www.yellowbirchhobbyfarm.com/how-to-prepare-caul-fat/

        Paul

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          johnsbrewhouse said in Meatgistics Podcast: Casings and Additives:

          kyle You want to be careful with MSG, it’s is made from Papaya which also contains Bromelain and will denature proteins. It will eat casings if not careful. I learned that lesson from pineapple that has not been processed. Bromelain become inactivated after between 140-150 degrees, that is why they can use it just before you grill.

          I don’t think Papaya is the source of MSG now. The link shows the current process for making MSG.

          https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/questions-and-answers-monosodium-glutamate-msg#:~:text=How is it made%3F,such as tomatoes and cheeses.&text=Today%2C instead of extracting and,make yogurt%2C vinegar and wine.

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          processhead thanks for the link on MSG. Have you used it before?

          hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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          • kyleK kyle

            processhead thanks for the link on MSG. Have you used it before?

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            kyle said in Meatgistics Podcast: Casings and Additives:

            processhead thanks for the link on MSG. Have you used it before?

            I don’t use it in sausage. My wife uses it in all kinds of cooked dishes though. She keeps it right next to the salt, pepper and the fish sauce.

            Paul

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              kyle said in Meatgistics Podcast: Casings and Additives:

              processhead thanks for the link on MSG. Have you used it before?

              I don’t use it in sausage. My wife uses it in all kinds of cooked dishes though. She keeps it right next to the salt, pepper and the fish sauce.

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              processhead how do you know how much of it to add to anything. Does she add it like you would salt, or is there a formula to use. I bought a bag of MSG from waltons to try, but not much info on the bag or on the website.

              hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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              • kyleK kyle

                processhead how do you know how much of it to add to anything. Does she add it like you would salt, or is there a formula to use. I bought a bag of MSG from waltons to try, but not much info on the bag or on the website.

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                kyle said in Meatgistics Podcast: Casings and Additives:

                processhead how do you know how much of it to add to anything. Does she add it like you would salt, or is there a formula to use. I bought a bag of MSG from waltons to try, but not much info on the bag or on the website.

                She is one of those cooks that hardly ever measures anything. Pinch of this, dash of that style of cooking.

                FWIR MSG only takes a small amount to bring out flavors. Never see the wife use more than a “dash”.

                Paul

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                  I really liked this podcast. Jonathon I like how you got derailed switching gears and talking about First Blood. I love that movie.

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                  • processheadP processhead

                    kyle said in Meatgistics Podcast: Casings and Additives:

                    processhead thanks for the link on MSG. Have you used it before?

                    I don’t use it in sausage. My wife uses it in all kinds of cooked dishes though. She keeps it right next to the salt, pepper and the fish sauce.

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                    processhead My mom cooked like that and it drove my wife nuts when she tried to duplicate recipes and mom would say add some of this and some of that and taste it.

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                    • ND MikeN ND Mike

                      I really liked this podcast. Jonathon I like how you got derailed switching gears and talking about First Blood. I love that movie.

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                      ND Mike He looked really good in that hat.

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                        ND Mike He looked really good in that hat.

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                        bocephus hahahaha!

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                        • kyleK kyle

                          processhead how do you know how much of it to add to anything. Does she add it like you would salt, or is there a formula to use. I bought a bag of MSG from waltons to try, but not much info on the bag or on the website.

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                          kyle said in Meatgistics Podcast: Casings and Additives:

                          processhead how do you know how much of it to add to anything. Does she add it like you would salt, or is there a formula to use. I bought a bag of MSG from waltons to try, but not much info on the bag or on the website.

                          So after a little discussion, she says she uses approximately 1 tsp of MSG per 6 lbs of ingredients.

                          Paul

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                            A lot of people have had/used msg without probably knowing it. If you have ever used Accent, it is msg.
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                              ND Mike He looked really good in that hat.

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                              bocephus Agreed, that color works better for him.

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                              • processheadP processhead

                                kyle said in Meatgistics Podcast: Casings and Additives:

                                processhead how do you know how much of it to add to anything. Does she add it like you would salt, or is there a formula to use. I bought a bag of MSG from waltons to try, but not much info on the bag or on the website.

                                So after a little discussion, she says she uses approximately 1 tsp of MSG per 6 lbs of ingredients.

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                                kyle
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                                processhead thanks

                                hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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