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a little confused on cure accelerators

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  • D DeerSlayer

    Just wanted to give an update … I switched up to a meat mix of 50% deer 50% pork butt . Eliminated the liquid smoke
    now grinding twice , mixing spices and sure cure.
    refrigerate for approx. 6 hrs
    then stuff in casings and refrigerate overnight
    in the morning smoke according to waltons schedule
    last 2 batches have come out awesome
    many thanks

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    lamurscrappy
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    DeerSlayer i guess i never replied to this thread even though i was mentioned! Sorry about that!
    Glad things are turning out great! Just an FYI you could probably just stuff right away into casings, it will make it much eaiser for you then after 6 hours then resting again! Also im a huge supporter of sodium erthorbate as an accelerator. It will make your snack sticks look better and last longer!

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      DeerSlayer Yes, absolutely stuff first and then let rest, you can blow out the gears on a stuffer if your meat rests first and then gets set up before stuffing. Also DeerSlayer the only thing I will say about Sodium Erythorbate is that if you are doing small batches you need a HYPER ACCURATE scale because you use 7/8 (.875) of an ounce for 100 lb of meat, so if you are doing a 10 lb batch that is .0875 of an oz of sodium erythorbate and that is a tiny amount for most home scales to measure.

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        The sodium erthorbate speeds up the action of the nitrite… Without it, your sticks will take about 12 hours to do what the erthorbate does in one hour…
        I have no idea what the “smoked meat stabilizer” does… I’d try a batch without it… I’ve never thought of using it… It’s probably designed for commercial use…
        Erthorbate should only be used in a liquid injection, like ham… not in ground meat…

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        • JonathonJ Jonathon

          DeerSlayer Yes, absolutely stuff first and then let rest, you can blow out the gears on a stuffer if your meat rests first and then gets set up before stuffing. Also DeerSlayer the only thing I will say about Sodium Erythorbate is that if you are doing small batches you need a HYPER ACCURATE scale because you use 7/8 (.875) of an ounce for 100 lb of meat, so if you are doing a 10 lb batch that is .0875 of an oz of sodium erythorbate and that is a tiny amount for most home scales to measure.

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          Jonathon Reloading scales might work.

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          • JonathonJ Jonathon

            DeerSlayer Yes, absolutely stuff first and then let rest, you can blow out the gears on a stuffer if your meat rests first and then gets set up before stuffing. Also DeerSlayer the only thing I will say about Sodium Erythorbate is that if you are doing small batches you need a HYPER ACCURATE scale because you use 7/8 (.875) of an ounce for 100 lb of meat, so if you are doing a 10 lb batch that is .0875 of an oz of sodium erythorbate and that is a tiny amount for most home scales to measure.

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            Jonathon so generally speaking 1 tsp does 10lbs and 1/2 tsp does 5lbs. That would be an easier way to measure it out for small batches.

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              lamurscrappy Google says .0875 equals 1/2 teaspoon…so 1/ teaspoon for 10 lbs and 1/4 teaspoon for 5 lbs
              someone else please check it and post back

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              • D DeerSlayer

                lamurscrappy Google says .0875 equals 1/2 teaspoon…so 1/ teaspoon for 10 lbs and 1/4 teaspoon for 5 lbs
                someone else please check it and post back

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                • D DeerSlayer

                  lamurscrappy Google says .0875 equals 1/2 teaspoon…so 1/ teaspoon for 10 lbs and 1/4 teaspoon for 5 lbs
                  someone else please check it and post back

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                  DeerSlayer 7/8 of an ounce is 24.81grams for 100lb so divide by 4= 6.2025 grams for 25lb divide by 5= 1.2405 grams for 5lb if my math is right, so then .2481 grams per lb

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                  • D DeerSlayer

                    lamurscrappy Google says .0875 equals 1/2 teaspoon…so 1/ teaspoon for 10 lbs and 1/4 teaspoon for 5 lbs
                    someone else please check it and post back

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                    blackbetty61
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                    DeerSlayer guessing you’ll have to use a grams scale IMG_1642.PNG

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                    • D DeerSlayer

                      lamurscrappy Google says .0875 equals 1/2 teaspoon…so 1/ teaspoon for 10 lbs and 1/4 teaspoon for 5 lbs
                      someone else please check it and post back

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                      blackbetty61
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                      DeerSlayer yes that’s what I got too 1/4 teaspoon for 5lb and 1/2 teaspoon for 10lb. I thought about using a gram scale but I remembered my scale only does whole numbers for grams

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                        DeerSlayer yes that’s what I got too 1/4 teaspoon for 5lb and 1/2 teaspoon for 10lb. I thought about using a gram scale but I remembered my scale only does whole numbers for grams

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                        blackbetty61 I don’t have a nice one like on “Gold Rush” 😂

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                          Best method for mixing items that require highly accurate, small quantity measurement is to pre- mix them in larger quantities with appropriate amounts of sea salt and other standard ingredients that you use for all your brines.
                          So, if you are doing a 10 lb run of meat, mix enough brine to process 100 lbs and store the 90% that you do not immediately need…

                          My only question is would it be appropriate to store vacuum sealed… should I place it in the freezer for long term storage?

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                            raider2119 We are talking about before they are mixed with water right? I would suggest vacuum packing, freezing might cause it to clump up.

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                              raider2119 We are talking about before they are mixed with water right? I would suggest vacuum packing, freezing might cause it to clump up.

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                              Jonathon Exactly, just a mix of salt and cure, possibly sugar as well… just the primary items necessary for brine or cure that remain as constant proportions for most any project… Mixing a larger batch will allow an easier mix of a low volume item such as cure… Are there any items, that could possibly activate and should NOT be added prior to use (Possibly citric acid)?

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                                raider2119 First, just to cover myself here, I’m not sure I’d recommend this just because of the possibility of contaminating the mixture with something that would activate the cure. I don’t think that would happen but anything is possible. Stay away from anything with impurities like iron or copper in it, those might activate the cure and by the time you go to use it might no longer be viable. Anything that is too low (acidic) or even too high (alkaline) on the pH scale could have an effect.

                                Sea salt is safe as sugar. Are there specific things you are wondering or worried about?

                                Get more help with your processing questions and learn more about processing meat by subscribing to our waltonsinc.com youtube page at https://wltns.link/waltonstv I am a Gorilla, love yourself

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