Sight and taste. It is all about your taste. Fat is flavor, so use a visual sight of what you would think 70% out of a PIE would be for meat. Now that is a rough explanation with very little science. How’s that? It is all about experimentation anyway!! I keep a note book and photos all the time for going back to recreate…since a lot of times i get lazy on righting recipes down.

matt93 i have made them before and I stuffed them very loosely and then they flatten out very easily! Then you can smoke. They did not puff up at all! Stuff loosely and flatten, you should not have a problem. Even if you have to hand manipulate the flattening…that is last resort.

Jonathon wow, I followed the thread. I never saw something like that before. Sounds like a combo of everything you guys mentioned…or a tiny mouse.