Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke
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Used the diggin dog farms calculator for cure #1 and 14 days of cure time. Usually use Morton TQ for back bacon but had this in cure #1 before I even thought about it. Oh well, it’ll be good either way. Applewood pellets in the masterbuilt until IT 155
knifemaker3 I do EQ back bacon but not yet done EQ loin bacon. As cheap as it often gets I’ll need to grab one soon to try.
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knifemaker3 said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
Usually use Morton TQ
They look perfect and you actually did right by using cure #1 for the short cure <30 days. TQ is actually meant for >30 day cure, so you did good intentional or not, your bowels will thank you later.
Morton TQ is used all the time for back bacon at a rate of 1 Tbs per pound of meat. It’s not recommended for belly bacon due to the fat of belly bacon. Buckboard bacon is also sometimes cured with tq
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Morton TQ is used all the time for back bacon at a rate of 1 Tbs per pound of meat. It’s not recommended for belly bacon due to the fat of belly bacon. Buckboard bacon is also sometimes cured with tq
knifemaker3 said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
Morton TQ is used all the time for back bacon at a rate of 1 Tbs per pound of meat. It’s not recommended for belly bacon due to the fat of belly bacon. Buckboard bacon is also sometimes cured with tq
Use it all you want, but TQ/sugarcure is actually cure #2 and unless you are curing for >30 days the nitrate will not be utilized and when you apply high heat like frying it is producing a huge amount of nitrosamines which are very powerful cancer causing agents. Do as you please, but why subject your bowels to that when all you need is nitrite on short cures? There is absolutely no benefit in using nitrates for short cures, there is no flavor enhancement, no additional curing, and no preservation added the only thing added is a negative, so why risk it for no possible gain.
Commercially, nitrate is no longer allowed for use in curing of smoked and cooked meats, non-smoked and cooked meats, or sausages (US FDA 1999). However, nitrate is still allowed in small amounts in the making of dry cured uncooked products. Home food preservers should avoid the direct use of this chemical and opt for the mixtures described above.
https://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/nchfp/lit_rev/cure_smoke_cure.htmlAgain it is your body do as you please, if you want to keep using it then by all means do I am only saying that you only stand to lose there is absolutely no possibility of gain, but you do it however you want.
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knifemaker3 said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
Morton TQ is used all the time for back bacon at a rate of 1 Tbs per pound of meat. It’s not recommended for belly bacon due to the fat of belly bacon. Buckboard bacon is also sometimes cured with tq
Use it all you want, but TQ/sugarcure is actually cure #2 and unless you are curing for >30 days the nitrate will not be utilized and when you apply high heat like frying it is producing a huge amount of nitrosamines which are very powerful cancer causing agents. Do as you please, but why subject your bowels to that when all you need is nitrite on short cures? There is absolutely no benefit in using nitrates for short cures, there is no flavor enhancement, no additional curing, and no preservation added the only thing added is a negative, so why risk it for no possible gain.
Commercially, nitrate is no longer allowed for use in curing of smoked and cooked meats, non-smoked and cooked meats, or sausages (US FDA 1999). However, nitrate is still allowed in small amounts in the making of dry cured uncooked products. Home food preservers should avoid the direct use of this chemical and opt for the mixtures described above.
https://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/nchfp/lit_rev/cure_smoke_cure.htmlAgain it is your body do as you please, if you want to keep using it then by all means do I am only saying that you only stand to lose there is absolutely no possibility of gain, but you do it however you want.
mrobisr well said and documented. Thank you sir
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Look at Morton website and you will see they even have the recipe listed on using it for Canadian bacon.
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Morton TQ contains both Sodium Nitrite and Sodium Nitrite, aka the curing components of Cure #1 and Cure #2
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Used the diggin dog farms calculator for cure #1 and 14 days of cure time. Usually use Morton TQ for back bacon but had this in cure #1 before I even thought about it. Oh well, it’ll be good either way. Applewood pellets in the masterbuilt until IT 155
knifemaker3 said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
Used the diggin dog farms calculator for cure #1 and 14 days of cure time. Usually use Morton TQ for back bacon but had this in cure #1 before I even thought about it. Oh well, it’ll be good either way. Applewood pellets in the masterbuilt until IT 155.
So, did you add sugar and salt as well as the cure #1?
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Real nice.
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knifemaker3 said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
Used the diggin dog farms calculator for cure #1 and 14 days of cure time. Usually use Morton TQ for back bacon but had this in cure #1 before I even thought about it. Oh well, it’ll be good either way. Applewood pellets in the masterbuilt until IT 155.
So, did you add sugar and salt as well as the cure #1?
processhead yes
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This morton TQ deal has been debated for years. Just realize that if it were a problem when doing Canadian Bacon, they wouldn’t be posting a recipe on their website on how to use it for that application.
To each their own. I didn’t mention that to get an argument started. It’s been awhile since I’ve posted much on this and other forums. Probably be awhile before I do again. This is why. Too many people want to argue.
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This morton TQ deal has been debated for years. Just realize that if it were a problem when doing Canadian Bacon, they wouldn’t be posting a recipe on their website on how to use it for that application.
To each their own. I didn’t mention that to get an argument started. It’s been awhile since I’ve posted much on this and other forums. Probably be awhile before I do again. This is why. Too many people want to argue.
knifemaker3 i didn’t argue about it, I stated facts and said keep using it all you want to, but viewing it’s use in a risk analysis you have absolutely nothing to gain only possible loss. If pointing out health hazards to you and your family is argumentative then I can live with that label.
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knifemaker3 i didn’t argue about it, I stated facts and said keep using it all you want to, but viewing it’s use in a risk analysis you have absolutely nothing to gain only possible loss. If pointing out health hazards to you and your family is argumentative then I can live with that label.
mrobisr Over the years I never put two and two together about Tender Quick thank you
Am I worried about what I’ve used in the past? Not at all, quantities were small and for the most part I never took much to the trigger temp.
Will I use in the future? Probably not since cure #1 is now so accessible
knifemaker3 Sorry you feel that way, as an occasional Tender Quick user I look at it as knowledge gained for possible use in the future. Really hope you stick around -
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Deepwoodsbutcher said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
So is it a good idea to use TQ in something like corned beef/venison? I have a recipe that calls for it.
IMO, I think this subject would be best put in a separate topic so as not to sidetrack the original poster’s thread.
I think there is a lot of uncertainty about using TQ and we could all learn by having a civil discussion about it.
Paul
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Deepwoodsbutcher said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
So is it a good idea to use TQ in something like corned beef/venison? I have a recipe that calls for it.
IMO, I think this subject would be best put in a separate topic so as not to sidetrack the original poster’s thread.
I think there is a lot of uncertainty about using TQ and we could all learn by having a civil discussion about it.
processhead sorry, was only asking a question in line with the conversation that was already going on. I’ll ask it somewhere else
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processhead sorry, was only asking a question in line with the conversation that was already going on. I’ll ask it somewhere else
Deepwoodsbutcher said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
processhead sorry, was only asking a question in line with the conversation that was already going on. I’ll ask it somewhere else
No apology needed!
I think it is a good question and am sure others would benefit. -
mrobisr Over the years I never put two and two together about Tender Quick thank you
Am I worried about what I’ve used in the past? Not at all, quantities were small and for the most part I never took much to the trigger temp.
Will I use in the future? Probably not since cure #1 is now so accessible
knifemaker3 Sorry you feel that way, as an occasional Tender Quick user I look at it as knowledge gained for possible use in the future. Really hope you stick aroundglen said in Simple back (Canadian) bacon smoke:
Am I worried about what I’ve used in the past? Not at all, quantities were small and for the most part I never took much to the trigger temp.
I have used plenty of it in the past too and have fried it to high temps, but as you said it was small quantities and I have not lost any sleep about it either.
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