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  • samspadeS samspade

    Arnie Hofer there is a chart floating around here some where that show microbe lethality as a function of time and temp. Most want to be safe a take products to 160. However there lower temps that kill everything but the holding at temp time is greater. Example (not accurate) it is instantly lethal at 160. But at 150 lethality may take 5 minutes. At 140 it would be even longer. I think it’s an USDA chart.
    Also less fat, binder and firm stuffing may help. The ice bath at the end sets the casings so dont skip that step.

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    YooperDog
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    samspade Arnie Hofer here is the chart.

    Screenshot_20220206-203225.png

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    • YooperDogY YooperDog

      samspade Arnie Hofer here is the chart.

      Screenshot_20220206-203225.png

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      YooperDog TY. I knew I wasn’t right on the times.

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      • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

        mrobisr I want them to be smooth is there any way to achieve that just in the smoker

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        Arnie Hofer I was the exact same way as you when I started making sticks. I just cringed at the sight of wrinkled sticks. My conclusion and opinion, don’t sweat the small stuff. Us as home processors will most likely not get a perfect looking stick unless you push the time and do the hot water cooking method like others are suggesting, and then with that you are sacrificing texture. Big full time processors have much better equipment and processes than we do, but I see some full time big processors that have wrinkled casings as well. Not to sound big on myself just confident, I would put my sticks up for comparison to any big processor any day. So what I suggest is get your meat block ingredient amounts and texture how you like it first then work on appearance after that if you wish.

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          Agree, that wrinkles are just aesthetics and have no bearing on flavor or texture of the finished product. I prefer drier stick which almost guarantees some shrinkage and wrinkles. Few of us have the setup in our homes to get perfect looking commercial sticks but we can certainly match commercial in flavor and quality ingredients.
          Focus on the the quality ingredients in the correct quantities, getting a good smoke on sticks, and avoiding cook-out from overtemperature in the smoker and you will have some great sticks.

          Paul

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            For me I rate that chart I found as one of my biggest revelations in finishing meat products
            That knowledge along with the precise control of sous vide you are safe and don’t have to cook everything to death

            Give a man a fish and he eats for a day
            Teach a man to fish and he drinks beer for a lifetime

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            • G glen

              For me I rate that chart I found as one of my biggest revelations in finishing meat products
              That knowledge along with the precise control of sous vide you are safe and don’t have to cook everything to death

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              glen said in Snack sticks:

              For me I rate that chart I found as one of my biggest revelations in finishing meat products
              That knowledge along with the precise control of sous vide you are safe and don’t have to cook everything to death

              Totally agree glen.
              I understand the reason for the conservative internal finishing temperatures, but with good time and temperature monitoring, I prefer to go with the science.

              Paul

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                glen said in Snack sticks:

                For me I rate that chart I found as one of my biggest revelations in finishing meat products
                That knowledge along with the precise control of sous vide you are safe and don’t have to cook everything to death

                Totally agree glen.
                I understand the reason for the conservative internal finishing temperatures, but with good time and temperature monitoring, I prefer to go with the science.

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                samspade
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                processhead you are so right about home vs. Commercial. All you really have to do is look at the ingredients list on those “perfect” snack sticks and remember why your making your own. The wrinkles wont matter as much.

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                  Just got Bradley smoker wat biscuettes is everyone using

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                  • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

                    Just got Bradley smoker wat biscuettes is everyone using

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                    RON PARRISH
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                    Arnie Hofer Just used mine last night for kielbasa. I used maple. I have used hickory before also

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                      Arnie Hofer Just used mine last night for kielbasa. I used maple. I have used hickory before also

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                      RON PARRISH I got the special blend 1s would u recommend mixing hi country and hi mountain seasoning

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                      • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

                        RON PARRISH I got the special blend 1s would u recommend mixing hi country and hi mountain seasoning

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                        Arnie Hofer I am not very familiar with those. I have used the high mt jerky kits but was a long time ago. I would think you could mix the seasonings as long as the cure wasnt already in it. pretty sure the cure comes seperate though. If not it would be a problem. I am sure there is someone here that might be able to answer your question a little better and the nice thing about this community is they will help you out

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