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  • NDKozeN Offline
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    NDKoze
    Team Blue
    wrote on last edited by
    #14

    I daily only use ECA for Summer Sausage and I love it for that. I don’t like it as much in snack sticks.

    Gregg - Fargo, ND
    Smokin-It #3 Electric Smoker that replaced a Masterbuilt XL, Big Chief (still used for fish), and few others over the years, along with a variety of Weber Gas/Charcoal Grills, Anova Sous Vide, etc. devices.

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    • mrobisrM Offline
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      mrobisr
      Team Blue Cast Iron Sous Vide Canning Dry Cured Sausage Masterbuilt Military Veterans Power User Regular Contributors
      wrote on last edited by
      #15

      As NDKoze said I only use ECA for my SS and do as Kyle said I grind, mix, and stuff one day and smoke/cook the next typically. I have never had a problem with letting the ECA sit overnight. If you are going to add the cure and smoke immediately then you will need to use sodium erythrobate or ascorbic acid so the cure has time to actually cure. Without a real cure accelerator the cure needs a very minimum of 12 hours really it needs more like 18-24 hours for color development. I have on occasions used the SE and let the meat sit in he fridge for 6-8 hours and it was just fine.

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      • F Offline
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        Fatslob
        wrote on last edited by
        #16

        Thanks All - Never used the ECA before and thought I would try it for my snack sticks this time. But now I’m not going to, as I love my recipe which makes nice meaty flavored sticks with enough smoke flavor to know it’s there. If I wanted more of a summer sausage or salami type taste, then I would make summer sausage or salami - lol.

        My specialty though is my Italian sausage, both mild spice and spicy. After trial and error, I have created a spice blend that I can’t envision changing. My brother and son love it so much, they tell me to just make it and patty it up. I also think I have come up with what I believe is the proper 3 spices and amounts for making mildly spicy and spicy sausages.

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        • samspadeS Offline
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          samspade
          Team Orange Masterbuilt Sous Vide Team Blue Power User
          wrote on last edited by
          #17

          Well dont tempt us. Give out the goods.

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          • F Fatslob

            Thanks All - Never used the ECA before and thought I would try it for my snack sticks this time. But now I’m not going to, as I love my recipe which makes nice meaty flavored sticks with enough smoke flavor to know it’s there. If I wanted more of a summer sausage or salami type taste, then I would make summer sausage or salami - lol.

            My specialty though is my Italian sausage, both mild spice and spicy. After trial and error, I have created a spice blend that I can’t envision changing. My brother and son love it so much, they tell me to just make it and patty it up. I also think I have come up with what I believe is the proper 3 spices and amounts for making mildly spicy and spicy sausages.

            Bob StehlikB Offline
            Bob StehlikB Offline
            Bob Stehlik
            Team Blue Power User Veteran Canning Traeger Regular Contributors Military Veterans
            wrote on last edited by
            #18

            Fatslob No holding back! We need a good "meat hack " to make our Italian better. As samspade said, “Give up the goods!”.

            Improvise, Adapt and Overcome! Semper Fi

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              Fatslob
              wrote on last edited by
              #19

              Should I post my Italian sausage spice blend and 3 ingredient spicy blend here?

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              • F Fatslob

                Should I post my Italian sausage spice blend and 3 ingredient spicy blend here?

                kyleK Offline
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                kyle
                Regular Contributors Veteran Canning Team Blue Power User Sous Vide
                wrote on last edited by
                #20

                Fatslob you can or there is a user recipe section

                hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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                • F Fatslob

                  Should I post my Italian sausage spice blend and 3 ingredient spicy blend here?

                  Bob StehlikB Offline
                  Bob StehlikB Offline
                  Bob Stehlik
                  Team Blue Power User Veteran Canning Traeger Regular Contributors Military Veterans
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #21

                  Fatslob Please post it here and then you can also copy it over to the “User Recipe” recipe section as kyle suggested. Thanx

                  Improvise, Adapt and Overcome! Semper Fi

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                    Fatslob
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #22

                    OLD WORLD ITALIAN SAUSAGE - Regular or the popular term - Sweet

                    See below for what to add to make mild spicy or spicy Italian Sausage

                    This is for one pound, so you will of course have to adjust.

                    Pork Butt - Looking for 80/20 - 70/30 (I prefer a little higher ratio of fat, but 80/20 works)

                    K Salt - 1TSP
                    Blk Pepper - 1/2 TSP
                    Reg Paprika - 3/4 TSP
                    Coriander - 1/2 TSP
                    Tyme - 1/4 TSP
                    Anise - 1/4 TSP
                    Gr Mustard - 1/4 TSP
                    Dry Parsley - 1/2 TBLSP
                    Fennel - 3/4 TSP
                    Sugar - 1TSP
                    Gran Garlic - 1 TSP
                    Oregano - 1/4 TSP
                    Dry Basil - 1/4 TSP
                    Nutmeg - 1/2 TSP
                    Marjoram - 1/4 TSP
                    Water - 1/8 Cup (I end up adding just a bit more)

                    All seed should be ground except coriander (if using seed) and fennel. These should be crushed slightly (for lack of a better term) or pulsed a time or two in a spice grinder. If I have coriander seed and always with fennel seed, I will slightly roast first on the stove top just until I smell the difference - DO NOT BURN), before the crushing or pulsing of the coriander and or fennel seed

                    My Kick-Up the Heat blend - Per Pound

                    I use this for any sausage or when making my own burger from Chuck or my favorite burger using Brisket

                    For Mild Spicy - 3/4 TSP of Crushed Red Pepper, 3/4 TSP of Cayenne and 1/2TSP of White Pepper
                    For Spicy - Just double up on the Crushed Red Peppers, Cayenne and White Pepper

                    This is also my blend to make any spicy type of sausage or burger.

                    kyleK Bob StehlikB G Dave in AZD mrobisrM 5 Replies Last reply
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                    • F Fatslob

                      OLD WORLD ITALIAN SAUSAGE - Regular or the popular term - Sweet

                      See below for what to add to make mild spicy or spicy Italian Sausage

                      This is for one pound, so you will of course have to adjust.

                      Pork Butt - Looking for 80/20 - 70/30 (I prefer a little higher ratio of fat, but 80/20 works)

                      K Salt - 1TSP
                      Blk Pepper - 1/2 TSP
                      Reg Paprika - 3/4 TSP
                      Coriander - 1/2 TSP
                      Tyme - 1/4 TSP
                      Anise - 1/4 TSP
                      Gr Mustard - 1/4 TSP
                      Dry Parsley - 1/2 TBLSP
                      Fennel - 3/4 TSP
                      Sugar - 1TSP
                      Gran Garlic - 1 TSP
                      Oregano - 1/4 TSP
                      Dry Basil - 1/4 TSP
                      Nutmeg - 1/2 TSP
                      Marjoram - 1/4 TSP
                      Water - 1/8 Cup (I end up adding just a bit more)

                      All seed should be ground except coriander (if using seed) and fennel. These should be crushed slightly (for lack of a better term) or pulsed a time or two in a spice grinder. If I have coriander seed and always with fennel seed, I will slightly roast first on the stove top just until I smell the difference - DO NOT BURN), before the crushing or pulsing of the coriander and or fennel seed

                      My Kick-Up the Heat blend - Per Pound

                      I use this for any sausage or when making my own burger from Chuck or my favorite burger using Brisket

                      For Mild Spicy - 3/4 TSP of Crushed Red Pepper, 3/4 TSP of Cayenne and 1/2TSP of White Pepper
                      For Spicy - Just double up on the Crushed Red Peppers, Cayenne and White Pepper

                      This is also my blend to make any spicy type of sausage or burger.

                      kyleK Offline
                      kyleK Offline
                      kyle
                      Regular Contributors Veteran Canning Team Blue Power User Sous Vide
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #23

                      Fatslob looks good. Thanks for sharing

                      hey vegetarians, my food poops on your food!

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                      • F Fatslob

                        OLD WORLD ITALIAN SAUSAGE - Regular or the popular term - Sweet

                        See below for what to add to make mild spicy or spicy Italian Sausage

                        This is for one pound, so you will of course have to adjust.

                        Pork Butt - Looking for 80/20 - 70/30 (I prefer a little higher ratio of fat, but 80/20 works)

                        K Salt - 1TSP
                        Blk Pepper - 1/2 TSP
                        Reg Paprika - 3/4 TSP
                        Coriander - 1/2 TSP
                        Tyme - 1/4 TSP
                        Anise - 1/4 TSP
                        Gr Mustard - 1/4 TSP
                        Dry Parsley - 1/2 TBLSP
                        Fennel - 3/4 TSP
                        Sugar - 1TSP
                        Gran Garlic - 1 TSP
                        Oregano - 1/4 TSP
                        Dry Basil - 1/4 TSP
                        Nutmeg - 1/2 TSP
                        Marjoram - 1/4 TSP
                        Water - 1/8 Cup (I end up adding just a bit more)

                        All seed should be ground except coriander (if using seed) and fennel. These should be crushed slightly (for lack of a better term) or pulsed a time or two in a spice grinder. If I have coriander seed and always with fennel seed, I will slightly roast first on the stove top just until I smell the difference - DO NOT BURN), before the crushing or pulsing of the coriander and or fennel seed

                        My Kick-Up the Heat blend - Per Pound

                        I use this for any sausage or when making my own burger from Chuck or my favorite burger using Brisket

                        For Mild Spicy - 3/4 TSP of Crushed Red Pepper, 3/4 TSP of Cayenne and 1/2TSP of White Pepper
                        For Spicy - Just double up on the Crushed Red Peppers, Cayenne and White Pepper

                        This is also my blend to make any spicy type of sausage or burger.

                        Bob StehlikB Offline
                        Bob StehlikB Offline
                        Bob Stehlik
                        Team Blue Power User Veteran Canning Traeger Regular Contributors Military Veterans
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #24

                        Fatslob Thank You. Looks awesome. Have you ever used a dry red wine instead of water?

                        Improvise, Adapt and Overcome! Semper Fi

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                        • F Fatslob

                          OLD WORLD ITALIAN SAUSAGE - Regular or the popular term - Sweet

                          See below for what to add to make mild spicy or spicy Italian Sausage

                          This is for one pound, so you will of course have to adjust.

                          Pork Butt - Looking for 80/20 - 70/30 (I prefer a little higher ratio of fat, but 80/20 works)

                          K Salt - 1TSP
                          Blk Pepper - 1/2 TSP
                          Reg Paprika - 3/4 TSP
                          Coriander - 1/2 TSP
                          Tyme - 1/4 TSP
                          Anise - 1/4 TSP
                          Gr Mustard - 1/4 TSP
                          Dry Parsley - 1/2 TBLSP
                          Fennel - 3/4 TSP
                          Sugar - 1TSP
                          Gran Garlic - 1 TSP
                          Oregano - 1/4 TSP
                          Dry Basil - 1/4 TSP
                          Nutmeg - 1/2 TSP
                          Marjoram - 1/4 TSP
                          Water - 1/8 Cup (I end up adding just a bit more)

                          All seed should be ground except coriander (if using seed) and fennel. These should be crushed slightly (for lack of a better term) or pulsed a time or two in a spice grinder. If I have coriander seed and always with fennel seed, I will slightly roast first on the stove top just until I smell the difference - DO NOT BURN), before the crushing or pulsing of the coriander and or fennel seed

                          My Kick-Up the Heat blend - Per Pound

                          I use this for any sausage or when making my own burger from Chuck or my favorite burger using Brisket

                          For Mild Spicy - 3/4 TSP of Crushed Red Pepper, 3/4 TSP of Cayenne and 1/2TSP of White Pepper
                          For Spicy - Just double up on the Crushed Red Peppers, Cayenne and White Pepper

                          This is also my blend to make any spicy type of sausage or burger.

                          G Offline
                          G Offline
                          gus4416
                          Team Blue
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #25

                          Fatslob thanks for the recipe

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                          • Bob StehlikB Bob Stehlik

                            Fatslob Thank You. Looks awesome. Have you ever used a dry red wine instead of water?

                            F Offline
                            F Offline
                            Fatslob
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #26

                            Bob Stehlik

                            Nope - I won’t screw with this recipe - lol

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                            • F Fatslob

                              OLD WORLD ITALIAN SAUSAGE - Regular or the popular term - Sweet

                              See below for what to add to make mild spicy or spicy Italian Sausage

                              This is for one pound, so you will of course have to adjust.

                              Pork Butt - Looking for 80/20 - 70/30 (I prefer a little higher ratio of fat, but 80/20 works)

                              K Salt - 1TSP
                              Blk Pepper - 1/2 TSP
                              Reg Paprika - 3/4 TSP
                              Coriander - 1/2 TSP
                              Tyme - 1/4 TSP
                              Anise - 1/4 TSP
                              Gr Mustard - 1/4 TSP
                              Dry Parsley - 1/2 TBLSP
                              Fennel - 3/4 TSP
                              Sugar - 1TSP
                              Gran Garlic - 1 TSP
                              Oregano - 1/4 TSP
                              Dry Basil - 1/4 TSP
                              Nutmeg - 1/2 TSP
                              Marjoram - 1/4 TSP
                              Water - 1/8 Cup (I end up adding just a bit more)

                              All seed should be ground except coriander (if using seed) and fennel. These should be crushed slightly (for lack of a better term) or pulsed a time or two in a spice grinder. If I have coriander seed and always with fennel seed, I will slightly roast first on the stove top just until I smell the difference - DO NOT BURN), before the crushing or pulsing of the coriander and or fennel seed

                              My Kick-Up the Heat blend - Per Pound

                              I use this for any sausage or when making my own burger from Chuck or my favorite burger using Brisket

                              For Mild Spicy - 3/4 TSP of Crushed Red Pepper, 3/4 TSP of Cayenne and 1/2TSP of White Pepper
                              For Spicy - Just double up on the Crushed Red Peppers, Cayenne and White Pepper

                              This is also my blend to make any spicy type of sausage or burger.

                              Dave in AZD Offline
                              Dave in AZD Offline
                              Dave in AZ
                              Military Veterans Sous Vide Canning Traeger Regular Contributors Power User
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #27

                              Fatslob thx very much for the recipe. I love making odd sausages, but honestly we eat more Italian sausage than anything else by far. So will give this a go!

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                              • F Fatslob

                                OLD WORLD ITALIAN SAUSAGE - Regular or the popular term - Sweet

                                See below for what to add to make mild spicy or spicy Italian Sausage

                                This is for one pound, so you will of course have to adjust.

                                Pork Butt - Looking for 80/20 - 70/30 (I prefer a little higher ratio of fat, but 80/20 works)

                                K Salt - 1TSP
                                Blk Pepper - 1/2 TSP
                                Reg Paprika - 3/4 TSP
                                Coriander - 1/2 TSP
                                Tyme - 1/4 TSP
                                Anise - 1/4 TSP
                                Gr Mustard - 1/4 TSP
                                Dry Parsley - 1/2 TBLSP
                                Fennel - 3/4 TSP
                                Sugar - 1TSP
                                Gran Garlic - 1 TSP
                                Oregano - 1/4 TSP
                                Dry Basil - 1/4 TSP
                                Nutmeg - 1/2 TSP
                                Marjoram - 1/4 TSP
                                Water - 1/8 Cup (I end up adding just a bit more)

                                All seed should be ground except coriander (if using seed) and fennel. These should be crushed slightly (for lack of a better term) or pulsed a time or two in a spice grinder. If I have coriander seed and always with fennel seed, I will slightly roast first on the stove top just until I smell the difference - DO NOT BURN), before the crushing or pulsing of the coriander and or fennel seed

                                My Kick-Up the Heat blend - Per Pound

                                I use this for any sausage or when making my own burger from Chuck or my favorite burger using Brisket

                                For Mild Spicy - 3/4 TSP of Crushed Red Pepper, 3/4 TSP of Cayenne and 1/2TSP of White Pepper
                                For Spicy - Just double up on the Crushed Red Peppers, Cayenne and White Pepper

                                This is also my blend to make any spicy type of sausage or burger.

                                mrobisrM Offline
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                                mrobisr
                                Team Blue Cast Iron Sous Vide Canning Dry Cured Sausage Masterbuilt Military Veterans Power User Regular Contributors
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #28

                                Fatslob Outstanding thank you.

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                                • Dave in AZD Dave in AZ

                                  Fatslob thx very much for the recipe. I love making odd sausages, but honestly we eat more Italian sausage than anything else by far. So will give this a go!

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                                  Fatslob
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #29

                                  Dave in AZ

                                  I also do Polish, Hungarian, Portuguese,

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