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  • mrobisrM mrobisr

    Arnie Hofer i don’t really know what the minimum temperature is to produce smoke, i tried and when it didn’t make smoke i attached the exterior smoker. The suggestion papasop made is a good one or maybe you could run the temp to 250f to get it smoking and then reduce the temperature and add your meat, worth a try.

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    mrobisr So I got a external smoker how long do u think I should leave that on can I over smoke them

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    • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

      mrobisr So I got a external smoker how long do u think I should leave that on can I over smoke them

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      Arnie Hofer said in Snack sticks:

      mrobisr So I got a external smoker how long do u think I should leave that on can I over smoke them

      You can absolutely over smoke for some. I always have to very lightly smoke my product if I want the wife to enjoy it, but there are times that I want the ingredients to shine. Sticks are small so it don’t take long to saturate them in smoke compared a 4" bologna. I would not smoke over and half hour which means just a hand full of chips in the MB external smoker. If you really like smoke you can go for 1-2 hours after that the meat will just be smoke. Start on the lighter side and work up until you find your sweet spot.

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      • mrobisrM mrobisr

        Arnie Hofer said in Snack sticks:

        mrobisr So I got a external smoker how long do u think I should leave that on can I over smoke them

        You can absolutely over smoke for some. I always have to very lightly smoke my product if I want the wife to enjoy it, but there are times that I want the ingredients to shine. Sticks are small so it don’t take long to saturate them in smoke compared a 4" bologna. I would not smoke over and half hour which means just a hand full of chips in the MB external smoker. If you really like smoke you can go for 1-2 hours after that the meat will just be smoke. Start on the lighter side and work up until you find your sweet spot.

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        mrobisr which chips are u using I used apple and left smoke on for 6 hours not oversmoked just right

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        • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

          mrobisr which chips are u using I used apple and left smoke on for 6 hours not oversmoked just right

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          Arnie Hofer I use apple too and I’m so glad that they turned our for you, got to love it when a plan comes together.

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            How do I stop the casing from becoming wrinkled I have water in at all times but the casing still wrinkles up on me

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            • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

              How do I stop the casing from becoming wrinkled I have water in at all times but the casing still wrinkles up on me

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              Arnie Hofer slower ramp up on the heat, finish in water bath once IT of 130-135f is reached, and ice water bath when IT is reached for 20 minutes.

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              • mrobisrM mrobisr

                Arnie Hofer slower ramp up on the heat, finish in water bath once IT of 130-135f is reached, and ice water bath when IT is reached for 20 minutes.

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                mrobisr 1 do 125 for 1 hour 140 for 1 hour 155 for 2 hours them 175 do u think that’s still 2 fast

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                • mrobisrM mrobisr

                  Arnie Hofer slower ramp up on the heat, finish in water bath once IT of 130-135f is reached, and ice water bath when IT is reached for 20 minutes.

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                  mrobisr wat do u mean finish in water bath 130-135

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                  • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

                    mrobisr wat do u mean finish in water bath 130-135

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                    #44

                    Arnie Hofer what mrobisr is referring to is finishing the cook by placing the snack sticks on a heated water bath. Once the internal temp of the sticks are around 135 to 140, move them from The smoker to a water bath that has a constant temp of 170. You can use a sous vide machine in a large cooler or if you dont have one, a roasting pan that you can monitor the water temp. Once the sticks reach 160-165 for a few minutes, they are done. Move them to an ice bath to stop the cooking about 20 minutes then alow them to dry before packing. And
                    Yes I believe you are upping the temp to fast. If you heat to fast you dry out the casings before the water in the sticks can evaporate. Once the casing dries (called case hardening), the meat cant get the extra water out.
                    Try 1 hour at 110 or 2 hours at 120 if you cant get that low. The add smoke and go 2 hours at 130 then 1 at 140 and 1 at 150. Internal temp (IT) should be at or near 135 to 140. Hope that helps

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                      Can’t I achieve it in the smoker without the water cooker

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                      • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

                        Can’t I achieve it in the smoker without the water cooker

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                        #46

                        Arnie Hofer your not trying to keep snack sticks moist. Your drying them out slowly. With sticks I think you only add the water pan if you need increased humidity. To get through the stall. Since you avoid the stall with the sous vide or roasting pan hot water bath, there is no need for water. That’s my undedstanding.

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                        • samspadeS samspade

                          Arnie Hofer your not trying to keep snack sticks moist. Your drying them out slowly. With sticks I think you only add the water pan if you need increased humidity. To get through the stall. Since you avoid the stall with the sous vide or roasting pan hot water bath, there is no need for water. That’s my undedstanding.

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                          Arnie Hofer yes, you will go through the stall where the sticks sweat water. And, like a person sweats to cool down, the sticks do the same. By using water after 140 cooking temp, you increase the humidity inside the smoker. Like on a hot humid day the sweat cant evaporate and cool you, you do the same to the sticks. Since they cant cool off the IT goes up. It’s just slower and you have to be patient to get through that stall. And it happens on almost all slow cooks.

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                            Chefs, has anyone tried to pipe in a power humidifier mod like adding a smoke pistol? Just a curious mind here chefs.

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                            Than sit’n in church and thinking about fish’in!

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                            • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

                              mrobisr wat do u mean finish in water bath 130-135

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                              Arnie Hofer samspade is spot on with the explanations.

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                              • samspadeS samspade

                                Arnie Hofer yes, you will go through the stall where the sticks sweat water. And, like a person sweats to cool down, the sticks do the same. By using water after 140 cooking temp, you increase the humidity inside the smoker. Like on a hot humid day the sweat cant evaporate and cool you, you do the same to the sticks. Since they cant cool off the IT goes up. It’s just slower and you have to be patient to get through that stall. And it happens on almost all slow cooks.

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                                samspade do are u saying leave The water out till 140 IT

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                                  Most snack sticks are wrinkled because of drying, but if you don’t want that then cook/smoke until 135f IT give or take and then finish in a water bath set at 170f until you reach your desired IT, than shock in ice water for 20 minutes.

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                                  • mrobisrM mrobisr

                                    Most snack sticks are wrinkled because of drying, but if you don’t want that then cook/smoke until 135f IT give or take and then finish in a water bath set at 170f until you reach your desired IT, than shock in ice water for 20 minutes.

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                                    mrobisr said in Snack sticks:

                                    Most snack sticks are wrinkled because of drying, but if you don’t want that then cook/smoke until 135f IT give or take and then finish in a water bath set at 170f until you reach your desired IT, than shock in ice water for 20 minutes.

                                    Is Waltons doing that in the videos I see their casings are perfect

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                                    • Arnie HoferA Arnie Hofer

                                      mrobisr said in Snack sticks:

                                      Most snack sticks are wrinkled because of drying, but if you don’t want that then cook/smoke until 135f IT give or take and then finish in a water bath set at 170f until you reach your desired IT, than shock in ice water for 20 minutes.

                                      Is Waltons doing that in the videos I see their casings are perfect

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                                      Arnie Hofer it is personal preference, it is what you want your product to look like.

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                                      • mrobisrM mrobisr

                                        Arnie Hofer it is personal preference, it is what you want your product to look like.

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                                        mrobisr I want them to be smooth is there any way to achieve that just in the smoker

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                                          Yes very slow and low temps.

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