Smoking/Cooking Schedule
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Bi-metal bits don’t work well on S/S, I have carbide tipped bits designed to drill S/S. I bought them to drill holes in S/S kegs, they have a pilot as well.
johnsbrewhouse agreed, but if that is was you have it can work for a stainless steel pot or keg if you have the patience.
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johnsbrewhouse agreed, but if that is was you have it can work for a stainless steel pot or keg if you have the patience.
Ok, been doing a little research on these PID units that several of you are SUGGESTING as the way to go. Now I’m not exactly sure just how they totally ‘work’, but it does seem there are a lot of you guys out there using them with your smokers. Let me know what you think. I am looking at purchasing the following items for this project…
1-a Inkbird (kit) #ITC106-VH… includes the solid state relay and the K-Type thermocouple (see below)
2-a AC Infinity AXIAL 9225 Muffin Fan - 120V
3-a 3M K-Type 100mm Thermocouple Sensor Probe (it appears to me that the thermocouple which comes with the Inkbird will be to ‘short’ to effectively pass through the door of my SmokinTex). This one will be ‘long’ enough to get the job done.Obviously, once I have the components, I’ll have to ‘design’ a plan to incorporate their use in/with my SmokinTex smoker. If I am understanding the concept behind all of this, after plugging my smoker in/on, I would next turn its ‘factory’ heating element dial up to ‘some (?) higher’ temperature. Then, as I start my cooking schedule, I would input the various cooking (schedule) temperatures INTO the PID as I move through the various ‘stages’ of the cooking schedule. The PID would then adjust itself through the use of the fan… turning the fan on and off -moving the air through the smoker to keep the internal temperature of the smoker where I want it as per what I ‘input’.
If I have this ‘concept’ correct, I’d appreciate any input from those of you currently using a PID. It seems so ‘simple’ but maybe I am just NOT seeing the whole picture. Here’s a pic of my smoker again. What I am thinking is this, I’ll remove that thermometer and replace it with the thermocouple probe working with the PID. Then, where I have attached the vent, I’ll design a means of attaching the fan to (in front of) allow the ‘air flow’ to happen as determined by the PID.
Always happy for suggestions… cause right now I feel like I’m getting in over my head.
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Ok, been doing a little research on these PID units that several of you are SUGGESTING as the way to go. Now I’m not exactly sure just how they totally ‘work’, but it does seem there are a lot of you guys out there using them with your smokers. Let me know what you think. I am looking at purchasing the following items for this project…
1-a Inkbird (kit) #ITC106-VH… includes the solid state relay and the K-Type thermocouple (see below)
2-a AC Infinity AXIAL 9225 Muffin Fan - 120V
3-a 3M K-Type 100mm Thermocouple Sensor Probe (it appears to me that the thermocouple which comes with the Inkbird will be to ‘short’ to effectively pass through the door of my SmokinTex). This one will be ‘long’ enough to get the job done.Obviously, once I have the components, I’ll have to ‘design’ a plan to incorporate their use in/with my SmokinTex smoker. If I am understanding the concept behind all of this, after plugging my smoker in/on, I would next turn its ‘factory’ heating element dial up to ‘some (?) higher’ temperature. Then, as I start my cooking schedule, I would input the various cooking (schedule) temperatures INTO the PID as I move through the various ‘stages’ of the cooking schedule. The PID would then adjust itself through the use of the fan… turning the fan on and off -moving the air through the smoker to keep the internal temperature of the smoker where I want it as per what I ‘input’.
If I have this ‘concept’ correct, I’d appreciate any input from those of you currently using a PID. It seems so ‘simple’ but maybe I am just NOT seeing the whole picture. Here’s a pic of my smoker again. What I am thinking is this, I’ll remove that thermometer and replace it with the thermocouple probe working with the PID. Then, where I have attached the vent, I’ll design a means of attaching the fan to (in front of) allow the ‘air flow’ to happen as determined by the PID.
Always happy for suggestions… cause right now I feel like I’m getting in over my head.
Retired157
I have never heard of using a PID to control a fan to regulate temperature in an electric smoker like yours.I believe some guys are using them to regulate fans and temps in pellet grills by controlling the burn rate of the pellet burner .
My only experience is using the PID and an SSR to switch the electric heating element on an off and thereby control the smoker temperature that way.
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Wow… never thought about that solution! I actually did purchase a dual probe monitor but was going to use both probes in my (two) sausages. That little ‘trick’ would have saved me a little $$. Rest assured, I will take advantage of your advice. Where do you ‘locate’ the probe you use to monitor the smoker’s temp… middle? Yes; I am just about ready to make my last order for some ‘spices’, etc. and hi temp cheese is on my list. My first run will be a standard SS using Walton’s H-Summer. If all works out, bring on the ‘heat’. Thanks for advice… if nothing else, my door gauge looks cool!
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Ok, been doing a little research on these PID units that several of you are SUGGESTING as the way to go. Now I’m not exactly sure just how they totally ‘work’, but it does seem there are a lot of you guys out there using them with your smokers. Let me know what you think. I am looking at purchasing the following items for this project…
1-a Inkbird (kit) #ITC106-VH… includes the solid state relay and the K-Type thermocouple (see below)
2-a AC Infinity AXIAL 9225 Muffin Fan - 120V
3-a 3M K-Type 100mm Thermocouple Sensor Probe (it appears to me that the thermocouple which comes with the Inkbird will be to ‘short’ to effectively pass through the door of my SmokinTex). This one will be ‘long’ enough to get the job done.Obviously, once I have the components, I’ll have to ‘design’ a plan to incorporate their use in/with my SmokinTex smoker. If I am understanding the concept behind all of this, after plugging my smoker in/on, I would next turn its ‘factory’ heating element dial up to ‘some (?) higher’ temperature. Then, as I start my cooking schedule, I would input the various cooking (schedule) temperatures INTO the PID as I move through the various ‘stages’ of the cooking schedule. The PID would then adjust itself through the use of the fan… turning the fan on and off -moving the air through the smoker to keep the internal temperature of the smoker where I want it as per what I ‘input’.
If I have this ‘concept’ correct, I’d appreciate any input from those of you currently using a PID. It seems so ‘simple’ but maybe I am just NOT seeing the whole picture. Here’s a pic of my smoker again. What I am thinking is this, I’ll remove that thermometer and replace it with the thermocouple probe working with the PID. Then, where I have attached the vent, I’ll design a means of attaching the fan to (in front of) allow the ‘air flow’ to happen as determined by the PID.
Always happy for suggestions… cause right now I feel like I’m getting in over my head.
Retired157
I have zero experience with your smoker, so please check everything out before proceeding.“1-a Inkbird (kit) #ITC106-VH… includes the solid state relay and the K-Type thermocouple
(see below)”
The only difference between your model and mine is I got the heat sink too since I enclosed it.“3-a 3M K-Type 100mm Thermocouple Sensor Probe (it appears to me that the thermocouple
which comes with the Inkbird will be to ‘short’ to effectively pass through the door of my
SmokinTex). This one will be ‘long’ enough to get the job done.”
I extended my coupler wiring to a longer length by just splicing the wires.“I would next turn its ‘factory’ heating element dial up to ‘some (?) higher’ temperature.”
I would suggest the highest setting it will go.“Then, as I start my cooking schedule, I would input the various cooking (schedule)
temperatures INTO the PID as I move through the various ‘stages’ of the cooking schedule.”
I think I’m understanding but wanting to make sure that you will have to manually change the temp each time.“The PID would then adjust itself through the use of the fan… turning the fan on and off -
moving the air through the smoker to keep the internal temperature of the smoker where I
want it as per what I ‘input’.”
I do not really understand the fan keeping the temp correct. The smoker would be plugged
into the PID and if you wanted you could also connect the fan to the PID thereby turning both
on at preset temps. You could also just directly plug the fan into a power source and keep it running continuously and use a plain timer to turn it off and on while letting the smoker keep
the temp without a PID.“Always happy for suggestions… cause right now I feel like I’m getting in over my head.”
I did too when I first started using them, but once you set it up and use it a couple you will ask yourself how you ever lived without it.
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This PID is 240v, black cords underneath, but the plug is 110v with a switch for my transfer pump. It is simply on/off, but with the PID and transfer pump in the box I can be really lazy and control my operation without getting up. If you just need the fan to come on then use this simple timer to control it and leave your smoker in control of the temp.
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Retired157
I have zero experience with your smoker, so please check everything out before proceeding.“1-a Inkbird (kit) #ITC106-VH… includes the solid state relay and the K-Type thermocouple
(see below)”
The only difference between your model and mine is I got the heat sink too since I enclosed it.“3-a 3M K-Type 100mm Thermocouple Sensor Probe (it appears to me that the thermocouple
which comes with the Inkbird will be to ‘short’ to effectively pass through the door of my
SmokinTex). This one will be ‘long’ enough to get the job done.”
I extended my coupler wiring to a longer length by just splicing the wires.“I would next turn its ‘factory’ heating element dial up to ‘some (?) higher’ temperature.”
I would suggest the highest setting it will go.“Then, as I start my cooking schedule, I would input the various cooking (schedule)
temperatures INTO the PID as I move through the various ‘stages’ of the cooking schedule.”
I think I’m understanding but wanting to make sure that you will have to manually change the temp each time.“The PID would then adjust itself through the use of the fan… turning the fan on and off -
moving the air through the smoker to keep the internal temperature of the smoker where I
want it as per what I ‘input’.”
I do not really understand the fan keeping the temp correct. The smoker would be plugged
into the PID and if you wanted you could also connect the fan to the PID thereby turning both
on at preset temps. You could also just directly plug the fan into a power source and keep it running continuously and use a plain timer to turn it off and on while letting the smoker keep
the temp without a PID.“Always happy for suggestions… cause right now I feel like I’m getting in over my head.”
I did too when I first started using them, but once you set it up and use it a couple you will ask yourself how you ever lived without it.
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Retired157
I have never heard of using a PID to control a fan to regulate temperature in an electric smoker like yours.I believe some guys are using them to regulate fans and temps in pellet grills by controlling the burn rate of the pellet burner .
My only experience is using the PID and an SSR to switch the electric heating element on an off and thereby control the smoker temperature that way.
Thank You Paul… I appreciate you ‘setting me straight’. It appears I have misinterpreted some of the things that I have been seeing/reading. To tell you the truth, I really wasn’t sure how what I previously was thinking was ‘how’ to do this really would ‘control’ the electric element of my smoker. After reading your post, the light went on… sorta speak. So, I went back to the internet (cause everything on the internet is based in fact) and researched PID using an SSR (which was something else I had no idea what was) in a smoker application. I think I actually found two videos that help explain just how to wire this up. If I understand this correctly… if correctly done (wired), the PID is used to ‘set’ the temperature (no longer the turn knob up top). The SSR is wired through the PID so when the temperature ‘drops’ below the set temp, the SSR triggers ‘on/off’ the electric heating element… raising/maintaining the internal temperature of the smoker as ‘set’ through the PID.
First question… does this ‘now’ sound right?
Neither of the two videos actually showed with ‘clarity’ how to wire my existing electric heating element to the PID/SSR. That said, the one video did have this diagram. Does this look like what you would do?
Well, that didn’t work. I can’t seem to figure out how to ‘copy’ the pic in here now… ugh! I have no idea how I got my smoker pics to upload before or what I am doing wrong now.
Here is the specific video I was watching.
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Thank You Paul… I appreciate you ‘setting me straight’. It appears I have misinterpreted some of the things that I have been seeing/reading. To tell you the truth, I really wasn’t sure how what I previously was thinking was ‘how’ to do this really would ‘control’ the electric element of my smoker. After reading your post, the light went on… sorta speak. So, I went back to the internet (cause everything on the internet is based in fact) and researched PID using an SSR (which was something else I had no idea what was) in a smoker application. I think I actually found two videos that help explain just how to wire this up. If I understand this correctly… if correctly done (wired), the PID is used to ‘set’ the temperature (no longer the turn knob up top). The SSR is wired through the PID so when the temperature ‘drops’ below the set temp, the SSR triggers ‘on/off’ the electric heating element… raising/maintaining the internal temperature of the smoker as ‘set’ through the PID.
First question… does this ‘now’ sound right?
Neither of the two videos actually showed with ‘clarity’ how to wire my existing electric heating element to the PID/SSR. That said, the one video did have this diagram. Does this look like what you would do?
Well, that didn’t work. I can’t seem to figure out how to ‘copy’ the pic in here now… ugh! I have no idea how I got my smoker pics to upload before or what I am doing wrong now.
Here is the specific video I was watching.
I have had this SmokinTex for many, many years. I bet I have NOT used it 1/2 a dozen times. I got this ‘wild hair’ to make some Summer Sausage… being a hunter and living in Montana, I seem to have plenty of deer/elk to work with.
I just thought I could break out my old smoker and ‘get it done’. As most projects seem to go… it ain’t just that ‘easy’. It’s a bit frustrating… might need a beer. -
I have had this SmokinTex for many, many years. I bet I have NOT used it 1/2 a dozen times. I got this ‘wild hair’ to make some Summer Sausage… being a hunter and living in Montana, I seem to have plenty of deer/elk to work with.
I just thought I could break out my old smoker and ‘get it done’. As most projects seem to go… it ain’t just that ‘easy’. It’s a bit frustrating… might need a beer.Retired157 said in Smoking/Cooking Schedule:
I have had this SmokinTex for many, many years. I bet I have NOT used it 1/2 a dozen times. I got this ‘wild hair’ to make some Summer Sausage… being a hunter and living in Montana, I seem to have plenty of deer/elk to work with.
I just thought I could break out my old smoker and ‘get it done’. As most projects seem to go… it ain’t just that ‘easy’. It’s a bit frustrating… might need a beer.Are the factory controls working correctly now?
If your smoker controls are working properly, it should maintain a reasonably constant and accurate temperature.
How to know that for sure? I would use a remote reading digital thermometer, placing the probe near the smokers internal temperature sensor.Fire up the smoker and let the temperature stabilize at some mid-range setting. Observe the digital thermometer and note any major temperature swings or deviations from the set point.
If all looks good, adjust the internal controls to a few different temperature setting and note if the digital temp probe follows the changes.
If the existing internal controls give you a stabile temp and are adjustable, then I would just go with them. If it’s not broke, why fix it? Well, unless you are like me and are an inveterate hacker and experimenter…
Here is a thread on a smoker build I did this Summer. I try to explain how and why I did what I did with the controls. There are also some wiring diagrams at the very end of the thread. It’s long, so don’t plan on getting through it in just one session.
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mrobisr why buy a smoker and then do all this extra work by the time you get all the pics bought you could buy one that does what you want it to
gus4416 said in Smoking/Cooking Schedule:
mrobisr why buy a smoker and then do all this extra work by the time you get all the pics bought you could buy one that does what you want it to
I haven’t, but I could built one that may not be as pretty as the commercial models, but it will perform just as well for thousands less and I will have the bragging rights to it being my successful creation.
I challenge anyone to find a smoker that can keep the temp within a couple tenths of a degree, keep the whole cabin temp even from top to bottom, and very possibly control humidity for less than $220.00. The PK 100 is 2500.00 and it only maintains the temp, agreed it is stainless, but as a home smoker I do not have to pass health inspection so any cabin will work.
The box and all the components cost 102.15, exception being the wiring I used because it is 240v, but for a smoker 110v is what you would use and it be under 20.00.
PID and thermopaste 48.69
K coupler 10.98
Fan 17.99
Box 18.99
Switches 3.00
Plug 2.50
Wiring <20.00
Total 102.15 in the pics you seeThrow in a couple other items…
Fogger 49.99
Heating element 40.00
Total 192.14You could add a cold smoker for another 160.00 or so bringing the total to 352.14 or you could use a cast iron wood box for hot smoke for under <20.00. I could build a smoker out of junk or a 55 gal drum that would control every aspect of my cooking, that is why a person might want to build a smoker for 220.00-352.14 verses >10,000.00.
I personally enjoy creating and building something better than what is commercially available. This is especially true when I can do it for thousands less and it is better suited for my needs. That is why I love home meat processing as I can create the perfect meat for us.
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gus4416 said in Smoking/Cooking Schedule:
mrobisr why buy a smoker and then do all this extra work by the time you get all the pics bought you could buy one that does what you want it to
I haven’t, but I could built one that may not be as pretty as the commercial models, but it will perform just as well for thousands less and I will have the bragging rights to it being my successful creation.
I challenge anyone to find a smoker that can keep the temp within a couple tenths of a degree, keep the whole cabin temp even from top to bottom, and very possibly control humidity for less than $220.00. The PK 100 is 2500.00 and it only maintains the temp, agreed it is stainless, but as a home smoker I do not have to pass health inspection so any cabin will work.
The box and all the components cost 102.15, exception being the wiring I used because it is 240v, but for a smoker 110v is what you would use and it be under 20.00.
PID and thermopaste 48.69
K coupler 10.98
Fan 17.99
Box 18.99
Switches 3.00
Plug 2.50
Wiring <20.00
Total 102.15 in the pics you seeThrow in a couple other items…
Fogger 49.99
Heating element 40.00
Total 192.14You could add a cold smoker for another 160.00 or so bringing the total to 352.14 or you could use a cast iron wood box for hot smoke for under <20.00. I could build a smoker out of junk or a 55 gal drum that would control every aspect of my cooking, that is why a person might want to build a smoker for 220.00-352.14 verses >10,000.00.
I personally enjoy creating and building something better than what is commercially available. This is especially true when I can do it for thousands less and it is better suited for my needs. That is why I love home meat processing as I can create the perfect meat for us.
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Retired157 said in Smoking/Cooking Schedule:
I have had this SmokinTex for many, many years. I bet I have NOT used it 1/2 a dozen times. I got this ‘wild hair’ to make some Summer Sausage… being a hunter and living in Montana, I seem to have plenty of deer/elk to work with.
I just thought I could break out my old smoker and ‘get it done’. As most projects seem to go… it ain’t just that ‘easy’. It’s a bit frustrating… might need a beer.Are the factory controls working correctly now?
If your smoker controls are working properly, it should maintain a reasonably constant and accurate temperature.
How to know that for sure? I would use a remote reading digital thermometer, placing the probe near the smokers internal temperature sensor.Fire up the smoker and let the temperature stabilize at some mid-range setting. Observe the digital thermometer and note any major temperature swings or deviations from the set point.
If all looks good, adjust the internal controls to a few different temperature setting and note if the digital temp probe follows the changes.
If the existing internal controls give you a stabile temp and are adjustable, then I would just go with them. If it’s not broke, why fix it? Well, unless you are like me and are an inveterate hacker and experimenter…
Here is a thread on a smoker build I did this Summer. I try to explain how and why I did what I did with the controls. There are also some wiring diagrams at the very end of the thread. It’s long, so don’t plan on getting through it in just one session.
Well Paul, I may be a bit like you because that PID/SSR upgrade seems like the right way to go. I know my smoker works perfectly so I will ‘test’ it as you described and think about maybe doing my first run with it ‘as is’. That said, can’t really argue with gus4416 and his ‘logic’… there’s always room for improvement.
Reality is that I won’t make a lot of Summer Sausage over the course of any given year and when I do, I’ll have to do it in small batches… 10 pounds. Just hoping I can get a ‘system’ down that will allow me to share my ‘product’ with family & friends… especially my hunting partner at the cabin during season. As I’m sure you all know, the guy who supplies the Summer Sausage at any gathering is everyone’s best friend. -
From my experience most of the smoking, curing, and processing problems are technique and not equipment, but your mileage may vary. I cook and smoke my product extremely slow like 10f rises very hour and I can make and extremely lean product good by staying patient and regular product even better. Your set up will do fine if you are willing to take your time and let it love and guide you instead of you forcing it.
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In a previous life we made from 1-3 batches @ 2400lbs each night of each product from bologna, salami, hot dogs, ham, and etc…, but the real trick was they cooked everything extremely slowly so the fat stayed put.
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From my experience most of the smoking, curing, and processing problems are technique and not equipment, but your mileage may vary. I cook and smoke my product extremely slow like 10f rises very hour and I can make and extremely lean product good by staying patient and regular product even better. Your set up will do fine if you are willing to take your time and let it love and guide you instead of you forcing it.
Thanks… I’m retired so I have LOTS of time to practice ‘patience’. Thanks
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Ok… slow wins the race
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2400 pounds… you are WAY out of my league!
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2400 pounds… you are WAY out of my league!
Retired157 said in Smoking/Cooking Schedule:
2400 pounds… you are WAY out of my league!
That was a previous life, but now it is just fun and I’m a fat guy that loves to eat.
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2400 pounds… you are WAY out of my league!
Retired157 oh we would have 2,400lbs going in at least one mixer and sometime up to 3, I opened 50# bags of salt and measured out 5# to equal 45lbs of salt per batch along with 5lbs of pink salt and other ingredients. It paid the bills while I was in college and taught me a lot as a young man.
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