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  • M Menuchah Meats

    twilliams I think airflow is definitely a problem, I have contacted the manufacturer to find out if they have solutions.
    I have a 5d made by smoke’n it, they are a local company near me. I think I should have researched the air flow a little better, to late now! Now I just have to find a solution

    I do not have an Internal fan, is there something that you use and would recommend?

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    twilliams
    Power User PK100 Regular Contributors Team Grey
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    Menuchah Meats my smoker came with an internal fan, so not sure of anything after market modification. I’m sure a few people on here may comment and steer you in a direction for that possibly if that is a route you may want to go

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    • GrimpuppyG Grimpuppy

      You didn’t mention a cure accelerator so I am curious how long are you letting them sit after you take them out of the fridge before moving them to the smoker? My guess would be 48 pounds of cold meat in a smoker will create a lot of condensation as it comes up to temp.

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      Menuchah Meats
      Team Orange
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      Grimpuppy duh, I didn’t even think about this. I am not letting it sit after removing from th fridge. I have never used cure accelerator, but I will look into it because I don’t have time to wait for things to warm up!🤣 Thanks for the advice.

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        processhead
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        #9

        I agree with twilliams and Grimpuppy that you have too much cool product in a smoker not capable of generating the heat and air flow required to properly dry them. It’s possible that even bringing them up to room temperature first would still give you the same result.
        We have heard others report the same problem when trying to put too much product in their smoker.

        Paul

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          Dr_Pain
          Sous Vide Dry Cured Sausage Traeger Team Blue
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          The advice of the community is pretty spot on. I have nothing to add. I just came for the pictures ROFL!!

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          • M Menuchah Meats

            twilliams I think airflow is definitely a problem, I have contacted the manufacturer to find out if they have solutions.
            I have a 5d made by smoke’n it, they are a local company near me. I think I should have researched the air flow a little better, to late now! Now I just have to find a solution

            I do not have an Internal fan, is there something that you use and would recommend?

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            Team Orange Power User Canning Masterbuilt Veteran
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            Menuchah Meats I have heard that computer fans work but have not tried this myself.

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            • M Menuchah Meats

              twilliams I think airflow is definitely a problem, I have contacted the manufacturer to find out if they have solutions.
              I have a 5d made by smoke’n it, they are a local company near me. I think I should have researched the air flow a little better, to late now! Now I just have to find a solution

              I do not have an Internal fan, is there something that you use and would recommend?

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              Menuchah Meats if you would like I could take a photo of my motor and fan blade

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              • B bocephus

                Menuchah Meats I have heard that computer fans work but have not tried this myself.

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                bocephus said in Moisture with snack stix:

                Menuchah Meats I have heard that computer fans work but have not tried this myself.

                I think there a couple of variations on the circulating fan theme. Only one of them will really help with drying the product.

                One variation is to have a fan inside the smoker box to circulate the air inside which evens out the temperature variations inside the box. This kind of fan really doesn’t change how much heat and moisture is removed from the box.

                A second fan variation is one where the the fan pulls air through the box because it is mounted in the air inlet or outlet of the box. This fan configuration can speed up drying of the product because you are increasing the amount of air drawn through the smoker relative to what you would have just through natural convection alone. The downside of this type of fan is that for smokers with chips or pellets smoldering inside the box, you really can’t smoke the meat at the same time as you are drying it without running a risk of starting a fire in the chip pan

                Paul

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                • processheadP processhead

                  bocephus said in Moisture with snack stix:

                  Menuchah Meats I have heard that computer fans work but have not tried this myself.

                  I think there a couple of variations on the circulating fan theme. Only one of them will really help with drying the product.

                  One variation is to have a fan inside the smoker box to circulate the air inside which evens out the temperature variations inside the box. This kind of fan really doesn’t change how much heat and moisture is removed from the box.

                  A second fan variation is one where the the fan pulls air through the box because it is mounted in the air inlet or outlet of the box. This fan configuration can speed up drying of the product because you are increasing the amount of air drawn through the smoker relative to what you would have just through natural convection alone. The downside of this type of fan is that for smokers with chips or pellets smoldering inside the box, you really can’t smoke the meat at the same time as you are drying it without running a risk of starting a fire in the chip pan

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                  Menuchah Meats
                  Team Orange
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                  processhead this information is exactly what I have read. So I talked with the smoker manufacturer and they have a fan that can go on the outlet to do exactly what you said. It can be placed and removed as needed. I will have to experiment a little to see how long it needs to stay on, but I am hoping that it helps solve my problem!

                  Thanks everyone for the help, I will post back when I do another big batch and see how it works out.

                  Going to do a little research on the cure accelerator that Grimpuppy suggested as I am curious if the cold meat from the fridge also as something to do with it.

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                    #15

                    Here is a link to Menuchah Meats smoker.

                    https://www.smokin-it.com/Electric-Smoker-p/smkmdl5d-gen3.htm

                    While it looks like a very nice, high quality smoker, in my opinion, the rated capacity of 90 lbs of meat is totally unrealistic for most sausage making applications.
                    I pasted the specifications and features for the smoker below:::

                    The electric smoker is made from 100% 18 gauge, 304 stainless steel and is designed for ease of use and portability

                    Every Smokin-It Model #5D smoker comes with:

                    Integrated Digital Controller with two water resistant temperature meat probes assembly (designed by Auber Instruments, GEN3 effective 4.20.2019)
                    LCD screen with UV protection
                    Four locking heavy duty 5" diameter casters (need to be attached)
                    Eight stainless steel grilling racks with room for 14 racks, rack size is 21-1/4 " x 21-1/4", racks are spaced 2" apart
                    Smoke box and drip pan that slides under smoker
                    Smoker has a temperature range of 0-325 degrees F and can hold +/- 3 degrees from set point
                    Fixed mounted air temperature located inside smoker, with newly added stainless steel guard for protection
                    Double door system with five latches
                    Smoker is predrilled on left side for the Bella cold smoke generator
                    Sample of hickory wood to season smoker
                    Smoker Model #5D has the capacity to hold 90 pounds of meat or seafood (estimate)
                    Twin 900-watt heating elements for a total of 1800-watts, LED indicator light,16.5 amps 120-volt single phase
                    Insulated with fiberglass to reduce heat loss
                    12-foot power cord
                    Inside dimensions are 22" W x 22" D x 42-1/4" H, rack size is 21-1/4 " x 21-1/4"
                    Outside dimensions are 24" W x 28" D x 46" H (plus 5" for casters and 2-3/8" for digital controller)
                    Three year warranty on parts and workmanship
                    One year warranty on digital controller
                    Integrated electric power cord hangers to mount on the back panel of the smoker, hangers made from stainless steel with pre-drilled holes and screws provided for installation
                    Suitable for indoor commercial use, smoker will require outside ventilation at a maximum of 70 CFM recommended
                    NSF certified (Mfg. by HWC Company Exclusively for Smokin-It, LLC - ALL Model Smokers #1-5)
                    Free shipping in lower 48 - USA (Free shipping does not include a lift gate (if needed) FedEx LTL Freight O

                    Paul

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                      Something else I noticed with the Smokin It line of smokers is they have a very small vent, which is common in oven style smokers. This is actually a good feature for high temperature smoking/cooking whole cuts like briskets and butts where the goal is usually to retain moisture.
                      For several sausage styles there is a drying phase and heat alone won’t do it. There has to be adequate air flow as well as heat, and the smoker needs to be designed to accomplish that.

                      Paul

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                        Snacks
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                        Smokin it makes a fan that sits on the outlet. Use it for when doing jerky. They call it the James Jerky Drier, that may work. I have the model #3 no issues but only do small batches.

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                          Smokin it makes a fan that sits on the outlet. Use it for when doing jerky. They call it the James Jerky Drier, that may work. I have the model #3 no issues but only do small batches.

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                          Menuchah Meats
                          Team Orange
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                          Snacks yep got it ordered, hopefully it works!

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                            Also first hour, drying phase keep door cracked open.Helps get rid of moisture.

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