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    wdaly
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    I use a Neater thermometer for about every cook. Have you guys tried inserting the Meater into a summer sausage and then vacuum sealing it in the bag? Just wondering if that would give you an accurate constant temperature of a summer sausage in a sous vide.

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      A friend had a sous vide that he tried and didn’t care for. He said it took to long and wasn’t what he expected. I have it now but in my excitement I forgot to ask. Is there any way to tell if the vacuum bags are sous vide safe? Also, on a rectangle container does the sous vide unit go on the short side or the long side of the container? Also, the sous vide device seems to have feet but I can’t get the sous vide unit adjusted to reach the bottom of the container. Does this matter? Any tips tricks recipes that anyone has for sous vide are wanted.

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      JoeB
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      no_eyes_processor
      This guy has the answers to your questions.
      https://douglasbaldwin.com/sous-vide

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        I use a Neater thermometer for about every cook. Have you guys tried inserting the Meater into a summer sausage and then vacuum sealing it in the bag? Just wondering if that would give you an accurate constant temperature of a summer sausage in a sous vide.

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        wdaly said in sous vide questions:

        I use a Neater thermometer for about every cook. Have you guys tried inserting the Meater into a summer sausage and then vacuum sealing it in the bag? Just wondering if that would give you an accurate constant temperature of a summer sausage in a sous vide.

        I use my MEATER all the time in sous vide. I vac seal on with the MEATER while the rest of my sausage go straight into the water. The vac sealed one gives me a real time temp. When the MEATER goes off at the desired temp I then use my Thermapen on some just to double check for temp. Hope this helps you.

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          wdaly said in sous vide questions:

          I use a Neater thermometer for about every cook. Have you guys tried inserting the Meater into a summer sausage and then vacuum sealing it in the bag? Just wondering if that would give you an accurate constant temperature of a summer sausage in a sous vide.

          I use my MEATER all the time in sous vide. I vac seal on with the MEATER while the rest of my sausage go straight into the water. The vac sealed one gives me a real time temp. When the MEATER goes off at the desired temp I then use my Thermapen on some just to double check for temp. Hope this helps you.

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          JoeB
          Team Blue Masterbuilt Yearling Sous Vide Canning Power User Regular Contributors Military Veterans
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          John Belvedere What I’ve learned is that it’s not about the temp. Has to do with killing pathogens, and how long it takes to kill the pathogens at a selected temp . There is a lot of meat science in the back of this. https://douglasbaldwin.com/sous-vide Check it out, you may be surprised.

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            John Belvedere What I’ve learned is that it’s not about the temp. Has to do with killing pathogens, and how long it takes to kill the pathogens at a selected temp . There is a lot of meat science in the back of this. https://douglasbaldwin.com/sous-vide Check it out, you may be surprised.

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            glen
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            JoeB Totally agree, I’ve been preaching that gospel for some time now
            Looks like a great book

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              JoeB Totally agree, I’ve been preaching that gospel for some time now
              Looks like a great book

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              JoeB
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              glen I can say you will get more meat science fm his site than the book. He’s very generous with his research info, and the vids are great. .

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                wdaly
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                Thanks, guys. Appreciate your input and the links.

                Bill

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                  Thanks, guys. Appreciate your input and the links.

                  Bill

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                  JoeB
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                  wdaly You are welcome Bill

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                    John Belvedere What I’ve learned is that it’s not about the temp. Has to do with killing pathogens, and how long it takes to kill the pathogens at a selected temp . There is a lot of meat science in the back of this. https://douglasbaldwin.com/sous-vide Check it out, you may be surprised.

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                    JoeB I plan on smoking to 130°, them moving to sous vide until internal temp of 160°. From what I understand, 160° should achieve lethality. Is that correct? I know from pasteurizing milk for cheese, at lower temperatures you have to hold for longer period y of time, but thought at 160°, lethality was instant.

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                      JoeB I plan on smoking to 130°, them moving to sous vide until internal temp of 160°. From what I understand, 160° should achieve lethality. Is that correct? I know from pasteurizing milk for cheese, at lower temperatures you have to hold for longer period y of time, but thought at 160°, lethality was instant.

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                      JoeB I am talking for pork. No poultry involved.

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                        Got it. 160 I’m thinking 18hrs well done. . @ 160* for pulled pork. 145 for 48 hrs. Pulled Med done. Sliced pork. You see the temps are a direct correlation to time temp and thickness. If you ref the site I mentioned it will give you a chart for what you’re looking for. Flash cooking is much different than SV. Hopes this helps

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                          I will say for me it was a hard learning curve. Been doing meat for 60yrs and SV was hard to throw out the old rules of traditional with SV

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                            JoeB I plan on smoking to 130°, them moving to sous vide until internal temp of 160°. From what I understand, 160° should achieve lethality. Is that correct? I know from pasteurizing milk for cheese, at lower temperatures you have to hold for longer period y of time, but thought at 160°, lethality was instant.

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                            Regular Contributors Team Grey Sous Vide Canning Dry Cured Sausage Masterbuilt Power User Meat Hack Winner Veteran
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                            wdaly Correct, 160F is instant
                            The beauty of sous vide is pasteurizing temperature is transmitted quickly into the product and can be held reliably for the correct amount of time for lower temperature lethality
                            For example: I finish summer sausage in sous vide at 145 and when it reaches 144-145 internal (about 20 - 30 minutes, check with a thermometer) for around 5 minutes it is safe
                            But the best thing is I can put it in at 145, set it for 80 minutes and go do something else and not even use a thermometer and it will not fat out or over cook
                            However I suggest using a thermometer until you are comfortable with the process

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                              I will say for me it was a hard learning curve. Been doing meat for 60yrs and SV was hard to throw out the old rules of traditional with SV

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                              JoeB said in sous vide questions:

                              I will say for me it was a hard learning curve. Been doing meat for 60yrs and SV was hard to throw out the old rules of traditional with SV

                              Like Joe says you have to do some research to wrap your head around the possibilities

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                                I agree. But the temp must have a time factor to kill the pathogens. Flash cook on the grill and you’re good. 145 in an SV. takes much longer to kill the pathogen and pasteurize.

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                                  JoeB said in sous vide questions:

                                  I will say for me it was a hard learning curve. Been doing meat for 60yrs and SV was hard to throw out the old rules of traditional with SV

                                  Like Joe says you have to do some research to wrap your head around the possibilities

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                                  glen thank you glen. You were spot on. Took me a long time to understand the why’s. The hows were easy. If you mix the two without knowing why you’re in trouble

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                                    You guys have been really helpful. Think I might need to do a little more research/ studying before I try sous vide. It’s a fear of mine that I might make a product that is unsafe for consumption.

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