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Ask questions about anything meat related. Anything from sausage or jerky making to butchering and grinding or stuffing and even thermal processing.

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    thanks. As it turned out I did use a pork butt, cost only $1.48/# on sale and pork fat appears to be running about 50 cents more. Pure fat is a lot harder to come by, guessing because there is just less of it – supply and demand. One recipe I was using called out pork fat and I directly substituted the ground pork butt and it tasted fine even at a 25% ratio. The other sausage experimental batch I made with 50% and it is even better. So, 50/50 is the future now. thanks for your input folks!
  • Pink cure, Mortons' quick cure, etc

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    excellent, thanks.
  • Pork vs Venison / pork sausage

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    JonathonJ
    @schreib everything @lamurscrappy said is correct! I have yet to try a seasoning that I like when using pork or beef, that I don’t like on venison. The most important thing when using any wild game like deer or elk that is low in fat content is to add enough pork fat. Venison by itself has very little intramuscular fat or fat caps so adding pork fat fixes this. Now, you could also use fat from beef or other sources but pork fat is unique in that it has a really nice creaminess to it, so that is why we recommend that. When adding pork fat the best time to do it is during the grinding process, this will help everything get mixed in really well. If you add it during the mixing process you run the risk of the protein coating the fat but not really mixing with the meat.
  • Goose Snack Stick Issue

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    @jaketeal Hi Jake, did you use encapsulated citric acid or another cure accelerator? The reason I ask is that you pointed out that you held them overnight and if you didn’t use any type of cure accelerator then holding it overnight is what you are supposed to do, to allow the cure time to work. If you used Citric Acid and held it overnight then there is the chance that the encapsulation broke and started the acid started interacting with the meat too soon. This can cause some consistency issues, though normally it is a dry and crumbly edge, not a mush, that is possible too. The next thing I would guess is that you have a protein extraction problem, people who read all the “what went wrong?” posts on here must be tired of reading me say that but it’s so often the issue! You want to mix, in a meat mixer until you have the proper level of protein extraction, this binds the protein, fat, water and any other additives together. For a good example of what proper protein extraction looks like go to the 1:20 mark of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wStH-RtQUY8 , the entire thing is worth watching but that will show you what your meat should look like. Another question would be what temp was the meat at when you were processing it? It could also be that your meat was denaturing and the proteins were all breaking apart, nothing would have saved it at that point. Before grinding your meat should be as cold as possible, ice crystals just starting to form is the perfect temp. As a bonus cold meat also grinds and stuffs better, this is especially true on products that are going to get a second grind like snack sticks. Also, we always recommend Excalibur Seasonings and not just because that is what we sell! Excalibur has an incredibly high standard of processing and a bad batch from them without the correct salt content is unbelievably rare. With cooking, it sounds like what happened in the end is you got case hardening. Tons of things could have caused this but what happens is the outside ring of the meat cooks and hardens and it will not pass any more heat to the inside of the meat, it holds and even deflects it instead of passing it along into the center of the meat. Not sure what Traeger you were using but adding a water pan, or another way of introducing humidity, is a good idea that will speed up cook times and give you a more moist product. Lastly, (I know, finally right?!) pellet grills are notorious for having cold spots and hot spots, so unless you were rotating them you absolutely could have had some spots that were 15-20° cooler than others! I took the Grilleye and mapped out my pellet grill so I know where to avoid or when I have a full grill where I need to rotate. If you want to give me more of your process I can try to see what else it might have been?
  • Making Bacon that tastes like store bought

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    @gadahl Okay, I think I see part of the confusion, the label on the bag for the Blue Ribbon Maple Bacon Cure says “Use 2 lb of cure to 100 lb of fresh bellies. This imparts 120 ppm of nitrite and 547 ppm of erythorbate” As the bags have 5 lb of cure this means you would get 2.5 batches out of each bag and each batch does 100 lb of meat so it is enough to cure 250 lb of bellies. If you are looking at a bag and it says something other than “Use 2 lb of cure to 100 of fresh bellies” please let me know! As for the math at the end of your post, you wouldn’t use 5 lb of cure to 5 gallons of water, you would use 5 lb of cure to 2.5 gallons of water. Each gallon weighs 8.34 lb so 2.5 x 8.34 = 20.85 (water), 20.85 + 5 lb (cure) = 25.85 and with that you could pump 250 lb of fresh bellies. Let me know if I did not understand something correctly!
  • Making Bologna from venison

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    @jonathon I made 10 lb of it. I used 6 lb of pork, 4 lb of lean beef and the 10 lb 4.6 Bologna Casing along with the Lebanon Bologna Seasoning and then I added the X-tra Hot Red Pepper at the usage of 3 oz to 100 lb of meat. I also used some Sodium Erythorbate and Sure Gel. It came out amazing! Seriously, it might have been the best thing I have ever made here! Then today I made Fried Bologna sandwiches out it, all around just a great product!
  • 2" or smaller is OK?

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    @schreib Most places don’t have a 2" opening on a stuffing tube for a sausage stuffer. It simply can’t get that big because the flange (part that attaches to the stuffer) is only about 2-1/8". The largest we offer is 38mm (approximately 1.5") https://www.waltonsinc.com/waltons-38mm-ss-stuffing-tube What you might be seeing is a 2" opening on a grinder stuffing tube, like this one: https://www.waltonsinc.com/22-2-stuffing-horn If you can get one that is 2", bigger is always better when filling larger meat bags and casings, but the difference between 1.6" and 2" on a sausage stuffer will be pretty minimal. Every little bit can help though. We do always recommend going with the largest stuffing tube possible that fits your casing, meat bags, etc. It’s not a requirement, just a best practice to make things easier.
  • Encapsulated Citric Acid VS Fermento?

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    @andrewsc I agree that fermented and slow cured is a different taste. Many would say, and I am included in that many, that it is a better taste. But, there are also people who don’t like it as much as just quick cured and smoked. The fat starts to go rancid and that is the smell/taste that sets it apart. Again, I prefer that taste but not everyone does! It is 100% worth doing at least once for the experience and the taste!
  • Shelf stable snack sticks & jerky.

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    @papag hi thanks for your reply. I will have to look at Walton snack stick stick tutorial. I have made snack sticks but sometimes when I make them when I get the ph or water activity tests back I find that one or the other is outside of the acceptable ranges for shelf stable so I wondered how much citric acid or water to use so i could get consistant results.
  • Bacon flavored pork patties

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    Those you mentioned sound awesome, I’d like to see that video. I would also like to try them.
  • Breakfast sausage

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    JonathonJ
    @Douglas-Moore Nice thing about breakfast sausage is that it is one of the easiest things to make! We’ve done a few videos but the most recent is in the meatgistics university section, the video is here on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=191wAfItiGY and for the article check out here https://meatgistics.waltonsinc.com/topic/755/fresh-sausage-107-basic-breakfast-sausage-processing. Holly is a great choice by far our best selling breakfast sausage. Quick tips would be to make sure plates and knives on the grinder are sharp and lubricated. Keep your meat cold through the grinding and stuffing process and make sure the seasoning is really well mixed in with the meat. Enjoy!
  • Summer sausage

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    Thank you, I will remember that if/when I try duck again.
  • Snack Sticks are very salty

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    Just an FYI, everybody that received snack sticks for Christmas last year loved them… I just ordered another batch of Willie’s Snack Stick spice blend to do it again this year!
  • Imitation Ba^D^DChicharrones

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    JonathonJ
    @21cedar That’s a great question on the phospshates, I have never thought of that. Let me talk to some people next week and see if there is a scientific reason behind it. I’ll warn you though it probably wont be until later in the week. We are working around the clock to get Meatgistics University ready for our 4 PM (CST) live time on Monday! We’ll have it all ready, just don’t be surprised if you tune in to our live stream at waltonsinc.com/live and Austin and I look a little haggard!
  • Summer sausage

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    @medeling32 What @Boudreaux said is perfectly fine. You could make it with anything you want, 100% beef, 100% pork will work too! The biggest thing to know if you are going lower than 20-30% pork is that the texture will be a little different than you might be used to. Pork fat has a creaminess to it that beef fat just does not have, this is why it generally makes the best Sausage and Snack Sticks.
  • General Tso

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    @Leland We made them today! We had to make some changes to the seasoning composition to have the correct salt content (fancy way of saying we added some extra salt!) and the taste was excellent! Im not sure where it would go in my ist of favorite snack sticks but it would be in the top 10 no question. I think I actually liked them better than I like the chicken I marinated in the General Tso’s. We should have the video edited, uploaded and live in the next few weeks. We appreciate you guys being patient with us, we know we haven’t been releasing anything recently but that will all pay off around October 22nd when we go live with almost 30 Meatgistics University videos at once!
  • Help---ECA

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    JonathonJ
    @bill-k Yes, for a 5 lb batch you would use .075 of a pound which is 1.2 oz or 34 grams. We have conversion charts for Seasonings and Cures, looks like we need to do one on additives as well! I will get started on that fairly shortly here, I think it would add some value for our users. I had a package of it here so I decided to weigh it out and 1.2oz or 34 grams of Excalibur Sure Gel would be 3 tablespoons and 1 teaspoon.
  • Cenison sticks to salty?

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    @lt205 Thanks I will give it a try.
  • Small batch cure/eca amounts

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    AustinA
    @bill-k Yes, that would be correct. Typically we recommend 1 or 2 quarts of water per 25 lb of meat for snack sticks. Thus, 6.4 to 12.8 ounces of water for a 5 lb batch would be perfect!
  • small batch conversion chart for seasoning

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    @tswohl Thanks ,I will print off and keep it on file . cheers leland

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